The Spring Legion Podcast
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Successful Turkey Hunt Setups: The Good, Bad, and Ugly
We return to the original studio and lay out a field-tested guide to turkey setups, from the pretty spots that fail to the ugly positions that kill. We share how to read gobbles, time your moves, and build options with terrain, shade, and smart angles.
• gear updates, NWTF booth location, and a YouTube giveaway
• why open “stage” setups make birds hang up
• the power of backdrops and concealment in shade
• when decoys solve curiosity too soon
• reading hot birds vs courtesy gobbles
• moving on a gobble, wind, and shadow cover
• using barriers, blowdowns, and creek banks
• elevation choices that make a bird step-and-look
• partner safety, communication, and 360-degree options
• ugly, uncomfortable setups that create clean kills
• accepting failure as part of learning
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What's up, y'all? Welcome back to the Spring Legends Podcast. My name is Hunter Ferrier joining you with Chase Ferrier again. And we are back in the old studio, the old recording studio in Brandon, Mississippi, as we uh brace ourselves for what seems to be Snow Apocalypse 2026. Uh more like an ice apocalypse, but it's been hard to find milk and bread the past week or so. And uh I uh hope everybody's been safe during it, but we were not going to risk getting out to the warehouse too much over the weekend. We decided to record this a day or two early just to be sure we got it out to y'all in time. And um I I didn't imagine old faithful coming back into play, but here we are. You know, and uh it ain't where it all started, but it's where a lot of podcasts have been recorded, and it uh feels a little bit right, you know. It's not a bunch of boxes of stuff stacked around us and everything. Got a little room to breathe. I'm gonna dive into what I deem to be the most important part of turkey hunting outcomes today, and that's setups and um the good, the bad, the ugly of all of it. And I think there are good, bad, and ugly setups, and you might be surprised to learn which one I feel like is the most successful. We're gonna dive into that in just a short moment. Wanted to give y'all a couple quick updates because so many wheels are spinning so fast right now as we get ready for the best time of the year, spring turkey season. It's right around the corner, and uh folks are getting a little giddy on it, and I am myself, but I guess I mean I ain't gonna dive into all the new stuff we've got on the website. Y'all already either know about it, or if you don't, it's pretty easy to check out springlegion.com. Um, pants, jackets, button-down, lightweight shirts, gloves, mask, hats, and uh gaitors and uh the turkey vest. If you hadn't checked it out, please do. We got a uh a little deal on there where you can get some different types of bundles for 20% off on if you get all of it. And and and still, even if you didn't get the 20% off, it's still you can get a lot of things for less than one thing at a couple other places, you know. Right. And and and that ain't a a shot at the quality or anything. That I mean, if I can make it better, I would have. And I just want to make sure it's priced reasonably because that's one thing I love about turkey hunting is that it's a pretty affordable avenue in the outdoors. And uh try to keep it that way as much as possible. But um, but y'all check that out and then um keep in mind uh we're getting ready for NWTF, and that is uh uh a wheel in itself that it never stops spinning this time of year as we prepare for my favorite three days of the preseason. Even even more than scouting. I I I enjoy Nashville because that is the official kickoff, and we're turkey hunters. I like to see other folks' stuff as well. I I walk around, make a couple loops and everything. So looking forward to seeing everybody. Y'all be sure to come check us out. I'm not positive our booth number, I think, is 607, but I've never met a guy who just found us because he looked for booth 607. You know what I'm saying? When there's 1,200 of them, uh I'll tell you how to get there. You walk in the entrance, you take a right, and we're between Mosyok and Nomad, right there. Yeah. So we're we're we're where we have been the past few years. So if you've been to our booth, we ain't moved. And we ain't expanded either. So hopefully one day we'll be cool enough to expand to some more booths, but we're still low on the totem pole, apparently. And um, same goes as last year. Uh is gonna be valid this year if you wear some spring legion to the event and and swim by our booth. When you get to check out, we'll give you something free, whether it be gloves, mask, something of that nature. Um, just to show a little appreciation for those who do support us and um and and let folks know about us, even at the convention. And we we look forward last year we there was spring legion everywhere. So hopefully that's gonna be the case again this year. We got enough stuff that we can we've set aside to make sure it's not gonna get confused in the inventory. We were able to get the folks who are wearing the brand as they walk around and shop and mingle and and tell stories and all that good stuff. But we um right before we get into the discussion, wanted to give a quick giveaway. One of these random giveaways we give to folks, and this one's gonna go to one of our YouTube subscribers. That is gonna be BC Outdoors 1923. So BC Outdoors 1923. If you are listening to this, shoot us a DM or email us at podcast at springlegion.com. We'll get you a free hat or something of it sent your way. And uh y'all keep an eye on that YouTube. Our buddy Easton's been rocking and rolling on some of the hunts. They're gonna be starting popping up here shortly, probably before NWTF. So if you're listening to this the weekend up that airs, go ahead and keep an eye on it because it it ain't gonna be long before they start rolling out. And hopefully it's gonna be pretty consistent, it seems like, and he does a really good job. I've already seen two or three that he's done, and I think y'all will y'all enjoy them at last. They've been in the archive hard drive for way too long. But you got anything to throw in there? That's all I can do. Maybe this will be the year they're not gobbled out. Yeah, no kidding.
SPEAKER_01:I I hadn't seen any buds necessarily this early. So I mean I don't think it's gonna mess up the budding time of year and acorn crop and all that stuff.
SPEAKER_00:So I don't I don't know how that works. Get another round into February, it may, but if we get another round of this end of February, I remember a couple of years where it where it did there was an ice storm twenty one maybe. And that that might have had a little bit of through a wrench and some stuff because it happened, I don't remember when, but it was like late February, early March or something.
SPEAKER_01:I remember one time when we were younger it snowed youth weekend. Oh, I remember that. I was I was still a youth. Yeah, you were still a youth. Yeah. And I mean I wonder if that I mean that has to hurt the the greenery.
SPEAKER_00:I think that what you think they're doing in Wisconsin in March. You know, I mean we're just not used to it. Yeah. Um and I say gobbled out with a little satire. I I don't think they're gonna be by the way. Um make sure that doesn't get brushed under the rug. Um yeah, uh so setups. We're we're diving in pretty quick to the topic, and this is an important one, and I want to get on as much as I can. Yeah, there there's so many factors that go into turkey hunting, and I don't think they I don't think any of them matter if you got a bad setup, first off. You can have a great setup and do great at everything else. You're still gonna kill a turkey every time. So I mean get that out there. That's one of my favorite parts about turkey hunting is the unsuccessful part of it and the the fact that it's not always in your hands, especially somebody who you know runs a business and stuff, a control space is is my comfort zone is being able to kind of you know fix this, do this, do this. When you're not able to do that, it halfway drives you up the wall, but it halfway makes you even more addicted to it that that there is a free will aspect involved in druggy hunting that you can't control. Right. And um, so the the none of this is gonna meet be a hundred percent obviously, but um but when it comes down to setups, I mean I can think of a lot where well I can think of some where I'm like, man, I I really nailed that setup, but I can think of a lot more where I'm like, if I was right there, it would have it happened. And that seems to be the the theme of most setups is is sign sight and it and it's 2020 vision you get with it. But if um if we were to um if we were to break it down, talking about the good, the bad, the ugly, we're talking about the bad first. What's your um what's your take on a bad a bad setup? You're like, I I messed up by doing this.
SPEAKER_01:Um if you I mean I don't think any setup's gonna be the worst decision you ever made. It just depends if it works or not. Um you can always have a bad setup, but you know, prepare to be uncomfortable a little bit. Um because the good setups normally aren't com the most comfortable. Um the ones that seem to work aren't always pretty, I guess. Uh I'm just trying to think of some situation that I can remember. You're describing one of them, but it is not the bad one. Right. Um And we're gonna get into that one in just a minute. The bad setup to me is when you got too much open area behind you. Okay, yep. I didn't put that in my little jotted down notes, but that is true. That's a big one for me. That's where I find myself in the most situation of like that's I I should have turned around a little far side down, you know, because he can see for a hundred yards and obviously he you know from eighty yards out, he ain't coming any closer a lot of the times.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, there's not a good backdrop behind you, you can be picked off pretty easily. Right. But but what you're talking about is you're you're in the open. Yeah. You know. Um open woods. You've got I'm saying like in the middle of a field. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. Um clear that. That is true. I I didn't think about that. But yeah, so you're you're in what Mr. George Mayfield calls the stage. Right. And if you want to listen to that podcast, I encourage you to do so. He he breaks he he has, you know, kind of terms for things that we talk about a lot, and and now I've adapted to call them that because you know, it just how it works whenever you spend a day with somebody and and he's right. And and a turkey needs its stage, it needs its area, it's open area to do its thing. You're in the middle of it, you know, he can and and what happened and what is happening there is he's getting to the edge of it and he's where he should see a turkey in there. Right. And we we're assuming no decoys here. Um that's that's probably the most common because you're sitting in the pretty spot.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:And I've done it before. I did it probably last year, um, even though I know I shouldn't. But that's probably been the the main factor of of the turkey not coming in there. I think if you break it down, there's the two the two things you need for a for a setup to to pan out is gonna be you gotta be where a turkey wants to be, and you got to be able to shoot the turkey when he's there. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Um Or where a turkey can get to see you. Yeah, essentially.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Is what I I would think better terms.
SPEAKER_00:And you're eliminating a turkey if if you're not where he has to be. Yeah. If he doesn't have to be there, he ain't gonna be there. Right. And that's exactly what's happening in that scenario is a turkey doesn't have to walk into the open to see the open. Right. He can see it from his cover, and that's why he's still alive. You know, because he he knows that. Um that's just in his guy given instincts, I believe. Um and that's where in and y'all if you've listened to us for a while, you know we don't we don't use decoys and stuff like that. I don't think decoy users are lesser turkey hunters necessarily. I think we we don't use them because we grew up not using them. We've adapted our hunting style to a a situation where they aren't involved, and then we can also have the same mishap happen from calling, and that's the whole hang-up at 80 yards.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And a lot of times, and and every time I think and how we we call at him and stuff like that, I'm and I'm speaking for myself a little bit for Chase too. We do hunt differently, but he he hunts a lot like this too, as well. Um you're kind of banking on that turkey's curiosity, trying to call him around something, trying to call him over something, trying to call him enough to to get a a quick shot. Most of the turkeys I've shot are I'd say 80, 90 percent, aren't in strut. Right. And and I can only see I can't even see past their you know, halfway down their beard usually. They're they're up over something looking at me, trying to find me, and then you know, that's when I shoot them. And I I've I've placed myself in that situation. I mean I've called to make him look over it, and a lot of times it's uh the silence that makes him look over it, not more than the call. Um depending that's all, you know, it all depends. It's all based off the turkey and his temperature and stuff like that figuratively. But if you if you got a decoy out there in the middle in the wide open, say you're not sitting in the wide open, say you're sitting in the shadows and and then the a good bag dropping, but you got a decoy out there and he gets there and sees it. All the time as far as he's coming. He don't have to walk further. He's he's solved his curiosity from the you know eighty yards away. That that he don't walk to him if if she's engaged with him. Right. Well, she has been the past hour, so now you can't change your mind. You've already kind of said, Hey, I'm interested enough for you to walk to me. Right. He's like, hey no, I ain't gotta and and sometimes they they will. They'll they'll bear off in there at him and you could stand up and walk around your tree and he wouldn't know you did it. Um if uh if he's got what he wants on his mind and he's committed to it. But um but a lot and that and that kind of goes into in the not comfortable walking into. And and some of that is thick stuff, some of that is they don't want to walk through the open to get to you, period.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And a lot of times you think you got a bad setup, but you're just not being that patient. And so before I get up, I make sure, you know, is there anything between me and him potentially? Like uh, I do remember that big wide open grass field. He might just not be gobbling in it because he don't want to just attract a bunch of whatever's on the outskirts of it. Or, and this is what I think happens more likely, he ain't got nowhere else be. He's taking the long way, he's not getting in it, he's not walking straight through it like a human would walk. He's walking on that on the woods, he's coming around, he just ain't let you know that yet. If you sit there about 10 more minutes, he'll gobble. You're like, dang, he's way off.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:But he's off in the direction of the outskirt of that. If you hold tight, he's gonna kind of come back and he's gonna be right in the same line coming at you. You know, he just took a long way.
SPEAKER_01:Um And a lot of times when they when they do go silent, they're they're walking. You're right. They're preoccupied with hey, I'm trying to survive between here and there. Let me get there. And then, you know, they're I'm not gonna say this all the time because you can't count the number of times that they do gobble and they're 600 yards further the wrong direction and they lost interest in you, essentially. Or something uh another a lot of times that's another hen has walked up to him that you couldn't hear yelping or didn't yelp, just popped in and then pulled him off.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that happens a lot. And I I have noticed a lot of times, and this ain't you know, you can't quite take it to the bank, but I'd I'd I'd consider it at least. I do at least every time it happens. If he gobbles two or three times back to back to back, like and you ain't responding to him, he's and then he goes radio silent. I I take that as I'm about to do something as now or never. Right. And he might be walking the other way, he might be walking to you, but I would I'd try not to call right after that. If he goes silent, a lot of times he'll gobble when he gets to a landmark or a spot, like he's getting through something, let him get through it, he's gonna try to cross creek or something, and then I'm probably it's just like when he gets off the roof, he's gonna gobble one time with his feet to the ground after about a minute or two. He's gonna observe, gobble one time, see what happens, and he's gonna make whatever decision he's gonna make. He's gonna get across it, he's gonna gobble. He's letting you know, hey, I crossed that thing. You know, I'm still on the way. I just I couldn't hear while I was walking through all this stuff. I don't know if you if you move, can you tell me where you're at now? Right. If he does that, I'm answering him. Right. It's a Marco Polo situation. Right. Yeah. He's he's he's on your team right now. Right. You gotta understand that. So don't be too, I'm gonna give him that radio signs, he's gonna have to come look for me. If he if he's big gap and then he gobbles, I'm answering.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He's wondering where you're at. Tell him by God, you know, which way to walk. Um, because he, you know, you want him to be off about 30 yards. You don't want him to be off 300 and be walking down the ridge and oh well, I'll be dang. There's that hen I was calling to, and it's another hen on another ridge or something like that. Um but the other aspect of a of what I would deem as a a a bad setup, I know it usually if you don't know when you sit down, you're gonna know it when that turkey walks the way you weren't expecting him to, is if you got a bunch of obstructions around you. Um little saplings that you can't spin your gun around. Yeah, yeah. You're banking on him coming down that and I I don't ever bank on him doing nothing when it comes to setups, especially like a big pretty road. It would be awesome, and that's probably what you see on TV a lot, but that ain't what they usually do. They're gonna come down this ditch and they're gonna come back up and they're gonna be sitting there twenty-five yards looking at you the whole time and your gun's gonna be stuck right here. Your right hand is on your left, you got a chance. If your right hand is on your right, you've got a very slimmer chance. But you got zero chance if you got a tree next to you. Right. If you're sitting where there's a tree, you know, in front of your knee, right, and he comes up on the other side tree, you ain't or he comes up and smells rat and starts walking past, and you got him, you got him, you got him, and all of a sudden you hear a dunk and you're yeah, you're up against the dang sweet gum and you're done. You ain't gonna follow up after that. So making sure it's open enough you can do that is is a is a huge half. That's a fifty percent. That's a very large one. Oh yeah. As far as where you put your butt. But um and and and a another badge that I want to say this is when you don't know where your buddy is.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, never get too separated from from your buddy if you're hunting with somebody.
SPEAKER_00:I always I always I would much rather hunt right next to each other.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I don't care if you guys sit on deal, you know, rest against my back if you got to, but I know I want to know where you're at.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, especially if we're moving. Or if I know where you sat and I'm sitting here, I think we mentioned on a couple episodes ago, kind of being in sync with one another, like you don't move unless you know if you get a thumbs up from me and I watch you where you sit down. Right. Because if if if you do move and I don't know it, I'm not shooting, that setup's gone. I might as well just get up and walk back and start whistling for you. Right. Um, just not worth the risk. And I don't get up and move if if I don't check back with them and tell them exactly, hey, and when I sit down, I look back, I'm like, can you see me? You got me right.
SPEAKER_01:And that's we don't do a lot of the hey, you say sitting here, I'm gonna drop back and call them a lot because of that. You know, that I see so many people do, and I just I feel uneasy the whole time.
SPEAKER_00:It eliminates options for me. Right. Like yes, it's an I it's unsafe. Everything with the firearm is unsafe. I almost got my foot pulling off in Georgia not long ago, and we were just walking, you know, and just I mean, just a random freak accident, shot an inch beneath my heel. And my if I foot would have been on the ground, I mean I would I would not have a right foot. Right. But it was on my toes and it went underneath the sole of my foot, blew a hole that big in the ground. When I put my heel back down, it went on the hole. Um, and that was, you know, just a freak kind of deal. And no malpractice of nothing going on. Right. On safety, on everything. But I I I think you gotta from a from a setup standpoint, safety obviously matters, but that's a hunting standpoint. But even a a setup standpoint, when you when people drop back and call and stuff, that just eliminated 50% of my radius or my diameter, I guess you say. Um, 360 spread to 180. 180 only now. And if y'all ain't hunting them in the hills and stuff, that 180 don't mean much. You better have 360 or 80 because they're gonna pop up where you least expect it. And I don't get honed in and and I don't look down this road like I'm deer hunting a power line. I'm I'm looking this way and looking this way, listening for footsteps, listening for drumming. Um, I do do if if I can hear drumming and you if yeah, yeah, you'll get a little bit accustomed to kind of seeing which way it's going and stuff like that. And if it's getting louder, is it not? Um it'll play tricks on you. You know, you'll think you you'll you'll put all your money on him going right, but he's really still there. He ain't moved off his little spot. Um, but I'll I'll do some scratching then and and stuff, trying to direct him a little more than calling. Um, but I I'd never call if he can see where I'm at. Right. It solves that curiosity. And just like a decoy would solve the curiosity, just like me sitting in the wide open would solve it. If that call came from a wide open, it'd solve his curiosity. He he knows where exactly where it's at. He ain't gotta walk through it and look. But um but yeah, and and a good setup, so that's the bad, this will be the good, and then we'll get into the ugly setups, which are usually the best. Yeah. Um, or the ugly ones. Uh if I could have a just a good setup every time, I'll take it, obviously. But it's the exact opposite of a bad, is you know, it's um you're you're you're there's nothing in nothing in your way. Nothing gonna keep you from moving your gun. I have a barrier of some kind within 30 yards. Right. Whether that be a hill, a dip in a road, you know, where I where he he has to walk up it, ridge top, um line of cedar trees. Literally, yeah. Yeah. Anything, just one of them cedar walls, a big blow down, yeah, brush pile, um, a bend, uh, you know, just a a a change in the uh corner of of trees. Yeah. It's um I mean there's plenty of I mean it's all situational. Just been I've used big amounts of dirt before. I have used trying to think of a situation where I might have used like a like a barn or something. I can't really I've I've been on hunts where we have, but not that I've actually like been the one hunting and set up on, but you know, dropped back and caught him around a uh a barn of some kind, you know, and shot him soon stepped out, but I can't think of one where I initiated it. Um but or be being in range of that stage is uh is also true.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. That corner needs to be, you know, you need to be within thirty, forty yards of that corner at minimum. Right. You know.
SPEAKER_00:Um or or whatever it is. If this is sixty five, yeah, he's gonna walk around a corner, he's gonna stop and he's gonna look down there. And I this happened to me this past year. I w and this wasn't on purpose, me getting I didn't set up. I was literally laying in like this. Mm-hmm. And that kind of caught, you know, I peeked over something and went, oh, you know, he's right there. And I and the hen walked down and then he he's his foot hit the ground and it it barely touched the dirt and he was he he saw there wasn't nothing down that road. Yep. And he was within range. He was probably 30 when that happened, but I was not as prepared as I I was like, Hen walked down it. I bet you he will. So I'm not going to turn and face it to get ready for that same situation. But I mean I was not far from the truck and I was in public land, so he'd probably watch a lot of things happen down that road. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Um one I'm thinking of was having to move on a turkey at to get a better setup. Maybe if you want to dive into that. Yeah. So this was a couple years back, but I was set up on one that I think I talked about it last week with the the one being Taylor had bumped before and had to kind of hunt him hard the that evening, but ended up killing him. But from where I was calling, he wasn't breaking. He wouldn't get to where I needed him to get, you know, obviously in range, but I could see for 60 yards open woods, and I I that was one of those scenarios I looked and turned around and looked behind me and I said, uh I'm I'm dead in the water. You know, like he can get to 60 yards from me and see a hundred yards behind me. So I waited for him to gobble, crept up at least to close the gap of where the wall he'd had to come out of to see those woods. I was about 35 from that wall. Then I waited for him to gobble again because there was a blowdown to my left. And as soon as he gobbled, I I crawled. I knew I had enough cover before he broke the wall, I guess you'd say, to get to that blue blowdown and get him off of that straight line between me and him, which I I like a straight line, but I don't love a straight line in certain scenarios. Because I had felt like he came from the right or the left, I don't remember. And as soon as he got dead straight front center of me, he's stopped. You know, and he was just like, Well, I've I've done the left and right and you do the right forward to back, you're and also I mean, calling in between that, you know, probably told him I was coming a little bit, then I got hung up, then he he heard me go left, and he could probably hear my footsteps with the he's at a hundred yards probably gobbling at me, 120, just out of sight of that wall. But getting in that blowdown or on the left side of that blowdown, putting him on the right side of that blowdown, he said, Well, dang it, you know, I gotta get closer. And I mean, I shot him at like 15 steps because he was coming around that blowdown. Yeah. You know, and and I even got in the blowdown. The one obstacle I had to call him around, I was in the middle of it, which just happened so I I got in it, you know. But I don't normally get in it, I normally get as close as I can to it. And you can also use that to close a lot of distance on a turkey that you know it probably can't see you behind it. You know, you can crawl and you know, slide and whatnot, and get get positioned better. Use that to your advantage.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, then that's that's the the number one factor I I think if I'm choosing a good setup is the the uh opportunity to have options. Yeah. And that and that's gonna be one that I'm able to move around. And and I do that a lot. Um if you couldn't tell the thickness of our new turkey seat is about that much because I I it's made for folks who hunt that that don't sit and wait too long. I can. It doesn't, you know, I'm cool sitting in it, but I also that's that's a style of hunt. It's a sit and and I take every inch that he'll give me. I I just I respect the turkey too much. Like if he's gonna give me something, I ain't turning it down and hoping I ain't gonna ask him to walk ten more yards. Like I'm lucky he walks the the 58 that I need him to. Yeah. For me to just assume he's gonna I he'll walk that a little bit. Yeah, you know, I'm I've been practicing my calls, you know. He'll give me 62, I'm sure. Right, he ain't. Um he's gonna stop where he he wants to stop at. And um so so if he's gonna give me a little extra, I'm taking it every single time. And and that's I usually hunt by myself. If I do hunt with somebody, that's why I say I keep them in the back pocket. Right. And we're we're bumping up, we're bumping up, we're bumping up. With every gobble, he's moving a chest piece, and then I'll move my chest piece. And my chest piece might not be calling, it might be moving. But I'm not moving if he ain't gobbled. If he's gobbled, I'm not gonna go, I think I can get a little closer, but he ain't gobbled since I last move, I'm gonna wait. Yeah. Because that's the the second you do that, you're gonna meet out of eye at the top, and this is gonna be over. But um, but keeping those options over, that's so big big emphasis on the nothing, nothing in my way, you know, left, right, behind me, stuff like that. And I will try to, and this week we talked on it last week in scouting was the kind of limiting your options as far as the the nose and the the the cants. I don't think he's gonna come I'm won't keep a creep, a creek at my left. You know, I I don't think he's gonna loop around me on that. He could, but if I can kind of get a little closer to that, I think I just kind of cut off half of his options, cut off half of his chest pieces, so to speak. To where now he has to kind of do one, two, or three. And if I can get him in this big thicket of cedar stuff or whatever, and there's one main road on it, you know, I'm gonna get where I can shoot him coming out of that road. A, I'm gonna know when he's in it, because all of a sudden his gobbles are gonna go from loud and all of a sudden go real muffled because they're gonna be in the thick of it.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And I know there's nowhere else he can be. He ain't up underneath them. He's he's gonna be where I think he is. So even if it's gonna be windy turny, I think he's gonna walk out 35 right there.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Or he's gonna go around it and have to come down. You know, he might not do either, but that's kind of I I'm I'm ready if he does the most likely, but I'm also ready if he doesn't. If he does the other one and comes around, I got a good idea. Or I have an opportunity to move. I I'm thinking in my mind, where am I gonna get if he doesn't, if that if all of a sudden them gobbles stay loud and he's in the hardwood part and he ain't in that thick part, right? I ain't gonna sit here and wait on him to walk out of the thick part. Obviously, I'm gonna have something in my mind. I'm gonna move the second I kind of get that. He didn't do that. I don't think he's doing that. I'm I'm moving.
SPEAKER_01:And and uh and a huge thing of moving and setting up different, you know, moving your setup it is it's not thinking. It's thinking but not thinking it's it's instant. Yes. It's it's you you can't that's why I we struggle hunting together, and luckily me and you worked that kink out a long time ago, you know, and it took a couple hunts of us really being mad at a quiet ride home, let's just say that. Um because if you say, hey, you know, I think he's moving left, we should probably by that time you've missed you've missed it. You you're better sitting your butt right there and missing the opportunity because you're about to screw it up. Yep. But the minute that enters your head, I need to move left, you better be on the ground.
SPEAKER_00:You know, you better be moving. And and uh if a turkey's like working with me, I'm not thinking, am I gonna kill it? I'm thinking of like, what is he about to do? If he does this, I'm gonna do this. If he does that, I'm doing that. If he don't do nothing, I'm not probably gonna do this. So if he does do that, and the second he answers it, I'm like, check he did it, you know. One of the that's and that's I'm already I already know where I'm headed. Yep. And um, or and this could be, and this is another point when I reposition stuff. I'm sitting here going like that wind blows real hard one more time, I'm getting across that lit up area. Right. If all these limbs start moving and them shadows are doing this, I'm getting there. You know, I'm gonna bust it, I'm gonna be loud, but he ain't gonna hear me and he ain't gonna see me because all the shadows are doing this, right? And the wind's going, you know, I'm I'm jetting 15, 16 yards to that one. You can get away where I can get around that thing if he does gobble again and lets me know he and if he's in the same spot, then I can I I got an option to go go down a little further or something like that.
SPEAKER_01:You can get away with a lot with with movement of of things like that.
SPEAKER_00:That's a big part of paying attention to it.
SPEAKER_01:You know, not necessarily just paying attention to the turkey, pay attention to your surroundings a lot more.
SPEAKER_00:And when it comes to setups, the the main hump a lot of folks gotta get over, and I remember having to get over it too, was understanding what you can get away with. Yes. It's just as important as what you can't get away with. Some leaves, when they're rattled and stuff, is bad. Some aren't. And a lot of it has to do with the surrounding factors and stuff. A hot turkey, he's if he's by himself and he's if you if you get him to gobble, you know, one time and he's gobbling two or three times and he's gaining or losing or moving 70 yards in between each, I ain't moving at all, probably. Because I have no idea he's throwing me curveballs left and right. I wasn't expecting none of this. But if he's just pow, if it's 1130 and he's on a string, I ain't moving, first of all, because he's probably gonna cross an interstate to get to me. Yeah. You know, but if he's handed up and he's occupied and he's just giving me courtesy gobbles, I'll stand up and walk over there. I he just he's so occupied and stuff. He he ain't listening for the little twigs and stuff like that nearly as much. Um, I'm careful, obviously, but I and and where I set up, I'm not gonna be, you know, where he can see me from a distance that I'm not aware of or anything like that. Uh as far as you know, I'm not gonna sit on the edge of something. I'm gonna sit up in it about 15 yards if I can shoot through, you know, the shadows and I'm gonna sit in the shadow. I ain't gonna sit in the broad daylight. Um I'm gonna make sure my tree's got a good backdrop and and stuff like that. But but as far as like moving up a little bit, that's where I'm gonna I'm gonna take it every dagum time, probably. I've I have blown a few by doing that. But I'm telling you, I've killed more than I've blown by doing that.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_00:I can say that with confidence. Um and most of the blown ones were earlier on. I'll still do it every now and then. Yeah. Um just it's it's being too aggressive and and and and not reading it as well. Like he was committed more than I thought. A lot of times it's on cutoff states. Yeah. It's when it when that turkey's committed, he has signs he'll deliver. I'm coming to you. You can shoot me, give me 30 minutes, I'll be there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm like, uh, what if what if all of a sudden it strikes noon and which is four hours away, but I'm like, I better get every inch and I try it and I'll blow it. And I'll I just hunt differently when there's a timer on it. And I I hate it, but I'm I'm just not used to it. And uh it just takes that adaptance of it as folks that go through, and some folks are, you know, they're they're at their stage where they're like, I hate it when they stop gobbling because I don't know what to do. And and folks who know what to do with them, but they probably know how to pace themselves on a cutoff because they're used to that. Right. It's just I have that same feeling about cutoffs. I'm j it's just something I'm not used to. And I don't know how to how to work with it necessarily as as fluidly as as other folks do. Right. Um but that's gonna get into the the ugly setups, which is usually produce the best results. And that's gonna be the ones where you're laying down, you're on a knee, you're twisted, turned sideways, you're uncomfortable, your left leg's asleep, your mask is hanging on your ear, yeah, you're you're you're frozen in in a in an area or some kind of that nature. And that happens when you continually try to just get get you know, accept what the turkey gives you every time. You know, if he if he's standing still and he's just gobbling at you, there's still opportunity there to to you for you to gain and and and make his if you can make his walk twenty five yards versus two hundred and fifty, I'm I'm doing it. It's it's smart to do that to me. Right. Make it easy on the turkey, make it sensible on the turkey, make it comfortable for the turkey, all of those things. Um and not get too e if he's down into something, I ain't topping something, I ain't walking over something and looking down in there, he's gonna see you. I'm not gonna get below him for no reason. I'm gonna stay, if it means stay put, I'm gonna stay high. If I if I can stay even with him or higher on an elevation, I don't like getting beneath them elevation terms. Now if there's two ridges or whatever and he's on top of this one, I'll still get lower than him technically if he has to come up a little bit. Right. The he'll walk downhills. I mean it's not like a definite it's just it's it's more likely for him to walk upwards or or flat.
SPEAKER_01:Like you gotta yeah, you almost have to have a a downhill then back up situation. Yeah. But like it's it's easier for him to see down in there too. Right. Um, but if you have a little bit of like a a little knoll like that that one seals kill with no beard in in Alabama, that was when we caught him off of a huge hill. Struck him he you know, he didn't think twice, bailed off the side of a mountain because where we set up, you know, and that was a a thought of of ours. We talked about it for just a split second, was like, don't sit here, you know, risk it, move up this little ridge to give the idea that we're just over this little I mean four foot inclination that he probably couldn't see one inch of it. Yep. And he was like, Well, I must be there, you know. And it I mean we shot him at seven steps. It's the only place I can't see, so you've gotta be there. And we shot that turkey up seven step full strut, never knew we were in the world.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Um the only time I like to get lower essentially than a turkey is if I am in a creek. Yeah. Like that turkey me you and Sills killed, you know. It was pretty flat on each side left and right of the creek, but yeah, we found a way to get into the creek to move up and then and then we kind of and rolled up. Right. We kind of popped out in a new scenario then. And then we're on flat ground with him. Yep.
SPEAKER_00:There's nothing in between us, you know, necessarily. And and caught him down it instead of trying to make him cross it. We get we got we just crossed over it, came back up, and we're like, well, what if you came down? What if we got to your side instead of me asking you to come to our side so many times? Right. We had to walk down the whole way, cross it, come back over, and then and like you said, we we just stayed on that hug that edge, hug that edge, hose that edge, came up, found a couple trees right here. I think you were standing up on some root or something with holding the camera up like this above you. Yeah, I didn't even get it on camera.
SPEAKER_01:I just yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:That was the one I couldn't ever see. Yeah, well, yeah. I would rather you stay down there hidden than us trying to have three people sitting there because it is a pretty solid backdrop of dirt behind us. I'm like, it's it's risky having two. Yeah. I think Seals was supposed to be shooting this way, and he he was on his belly and couldn't rotate and stuff. And then I'm like, well, y'all better shoot that. Yeah, you know, because uh and I went down and the barrel and the bird weren't aligned. I'm like he's like, Are you gonna shoot it? And I'm like, Do you want to? Like, somebody put these. And at one point I think y'all thought I was gonna shoot. I thought for a second, I'm like, maybe Chase is gonna shoot it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just like standing in the bottom of the creek holding my gun. Trying to get your attention, maybe, or what happened? Yeah, you were sitting on it. I was sitting on my gun to keep it from sliding down into the bottom of the creek with my or I had my foot on it or something, like barrel facing down, you know, away from everybody, but like I was holding it with my foot or my leg or something. I mean there there was no thought in my mind that I was gonna end up being the shooter. You know, which you kind of gotta be re ready at all times saying that. Um there's many, many, many times that I've been trying to hunt, you know, with somebody or kill them a bird, my buddy Zach, you know. Yeah, we we hunted a lot together and yeah, at one point I started feeling bad because like the turkeys always just looped us or something weird where he couldn't swing and get to. And and after like one walked off, I was like, man, I was hoping you could get it. He was like, shoot the turkey. Like, I'm not gonna be mad at you, man.
SPEAKER_00:And yeah, no, I mean I remember looking back going like I guess Chase can because it because we were on we were set up on him for a lot of the morning. Then when we got on his side of the creek, I mean it was another 45 minutes, and you know, he probably wasn't 150 when we get when we say, Okay, we're good. He gobbled, let's know where he's at. Right. Like, all right, we're good right here. Yeah, you know, and it was a decent tree we could get on, got on it, and it it took a a while. I mean, you just got I could hear him drumming, I remember that. I just kept hearing him drumming and drumming. He gobbled a couple times and he just, you know, kind of and it was in a jungle, and it was in some hills doing this, you know. So it was already kind of tough on him. And and it was a it was a haggard bird. I remember that. I mean he was yeah, he was he was a big one. He he wasn't a two-year-old for sure. He did not act like it either.
SPEAKER_01:But um And that was about scenario We were exhausted too F. Oh yeah, like playing as a last.
SPEAKER_00:And that's another thing, is is not I don't set up with my gun on my knee and stuff, you know, like you see like in pictures and stuff, like that I love those. Oh, yeah. If I'm on a roost or something and I got time to sit down and get ready and stuff, but in that situation, my gun's kind of like laying on my knee, my ankle, and it's a position where I can kick it up if I got to and shoot within two seconds. You know, and that's you know, my hands are free, I'm doing stuff, I'm constantly like moving and checking and and and seeing what's going on over here, what's going on over there, and and I'm not just fixed on him doing something. I'm fixed on him doing everything. Yeah. And I'm lucky to get a chance at him, and when I get that chance, I just try to be ready. And and and there's you know, there's times I've shot them after they've seen me, plenty of times. And that's sometimes the objective. Yeah. I remember one in Georgia a couple years ago. He had inch and a half inch hooks, and was I was just scratching the lead he's goblin every single one of them. I was just scratch at him and scratch at him and scratch at him, a little purse here. He was hammering. He was like, That freaking turkey won't just come on, just walk over this one little ridge. I'm right here. I've been here all morning. And um, and and then finally I let him get down a little bit. He got one time and he was lower. I'm like, I'm gonna get on top. Right. And I got on top and I couldn't see him or nothing, but I caught a little more and I hadn't moved. So it's kind of like, you know, when a turkey moves, you you you're like, something's happening. What do we do? What do we do? You know, we we're gonna do something. I'm like, oh, let me go back and check. And so that's what he did. But you know, I'm sitting there and I don't see him at all. I don't know necessarily when he could see me, but I could just hear the a putt. Right. And it wasn't far, and then I'm like, ooh, there's his head right there, you know. Like, I wonder how long he'd been sitting there looking at me. I did not know. But um he he he gobbled a time or two or he drummed one. He responded to those calls for a little bit, and um, because I was there for about three whole minutes of just like, please do something, so I don't have to like really let you know where I'm at.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And I did, and he he drummed at it, drummed at it, and I'm looking where I think it's coming from, and I'm pretty sure I should be able to see it, but I don't. And then I'm just kinda like, and then I hear look of I'm like, oh, well, he definitely sees me. I just don't know, still don't know where, and we started moving. I'm like, oh, I got you now. You know, like you know, you're you're about 16 and you you got a ways to go to get out of out of you know, 15 steps, and and the second he and I do kind of do this, and I've I've not shot him because of it, because I I don't like all of a sudden just throw up and shoot.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:I'll get in ahead of them, and a lot of times if they put they're gonna they it's almost like that's confirm.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Do I really want to like it's almost as they're walking, they're like, but if I'm wrong, that hand's just gonna still be there. Let me double check, make sure I am wrong. And they they'll stop and like or they'll they'll loop back around putting one time and then they'll make their their rear legs, and they'll head this way, make one little curly cue and go out. And on that curly cue is when I wind up shooting. There's like as they're double checking. Yeah, um, I just don't get in a rush. You know, I'm just like if he if he sees me, he's gone, he's gone. It don't it's over. I ain't gonna, you know, I put my gun on my shoulder a lot.
SPEAKER_01:Slimmer at that moment, but there's a still a chance.
SPEAKER_00:Well, well, I'm just like, if he if he don't check up, I'm not shooting at him, I'm not gonna miss him, shoot him in the dang ankle or something. You know, it's over with, I lost. Yeah. I I've already at that first putt, it I lost almost. Right. You know, so I'm not I'm not gonna be disappointed that I didn't go hurt and just pull a trigger. I'm I'm disappointed that he he figured me out. Um that's just part of it. But you know, I'm cool, calm, collected. If he if he stops, if he makes a loop, I'm ready for it.
SPEAKER_01:Worst worst thing you can do in that scenario is rush. I mean, accept defeat easily. Yeah. I mean that's that's uh a large high on the numbers of turkey hunting. You know, number one, two, or three right there is is accepting defeat and and enjoying that. And being being okay with it, you know, like hey, he won today.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And that's that and I love turkey hunting, and I love the process of turkey hunting, I love the failures of turkey hunting. I love, you know, folks who who wind up do like I I I'm not I don't love turkey hunting because I'm good at it. I'm gotten pretty good at turkey hunting because I love it and I I obsess over it. Right. And I and I enjoy the journey, I enjoy the failures, I enjoy the the stuff I do wrong and the the learning aspect from those and stuff. It's not I don't love it because I I I've killed multiple. Right. I I you know I I still enjoy the hunts that that wind up and I promise you in two, three weeks in Nashville, there will be more conversations. If you if you get around a group of turkey hunters, and it's a group of pretty novice turkey hunters, and we're talking about the ones that killed. Oh yeah. And how big they were, how much they weighed. I don't know how much turkey weighed. You know, I I call them all if it's really big, I say 20 pounds, if it's really small, I say 15. Uh same thing with beard, spurs, stuff like that. He's got inch, inch and a half, really big after that. Pretty much, yeah. But but the folks who are like, you know, really honed in on the ones that killed and stuff like that. And then like you could find some like old school, like haggard turkey hunters. We're talking about the ones that they got beat by.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Every every conversation is about the one that they could not get. And they're still thinking.
SPEAKER_01:thinking about like how the how do I go about that scenario differently. Yeah. And that's that's what they want to talk about is trying they're still trying to figure that out. That scenario that may never happen to them again. Yeah. They're wanting to talk about it with somebody that has probably been through a similar ringer. That's what they look forward to talking about. Yeah. You know? That was the that was more fun to them than the one that, you know, you sat down 10 minutes killed it. Right. And I I agree. I mean that's where I find myself having way more conversation about that. Yeah. Than, you know. That's real turkey hunter conversation.
SPEAKER_00:When we talk about like you know long live the real and stuff like that. That's when real turkey hunters that's what I think of. I think of folks who are who are so obsessed with the failures of it that it is it has completely taken over their train of thought most times. And then you know and then when we go to you know places like the convention stuff and then folks can get together and talk about it. You really, the the separation is pretty obvious. Oh yeah 100% time and stuff like that. And there's better turkey hunters there than I'll ever be and there's there's folks who nobody knows exist is a better turkey hunter than all the ones you think are the best. I promise you. Very much and um and they're just chilling with the dang you know diet coke in their hand walking around by themselves and you're like well he's probably got more than this whole room. Right. You know that's just part of it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah never would guess it and then all of a sudden you kind of piece that together and you're like he probably ain't talking about it. He ain't talking about it to nobody. And that's normally the guy that somebody walks up to you and is like you don't know it but oh yeah old Johnny D over there whatever something something he's one to worry about.
SPEAKER_00:I think I say kind of that in my book because because other people talk for him usually right he doesn't have to tell you how many he killed. Yeah because somebody else talks for him. But that's that's what his his name comma the guy who is is is exceptionally well yeah he's known as a turkey hunter. But that got me a little excited for NWTF got in thinking of some conversations we'll be having up there. But yeah that's that's a good spill on some setups and some of the bad ones some of the good ones some of the ugly ones um I I I there there are far more that I've killed that in in unexpected situations in the middle of those two setup changes and and where you would least expect it than then probably when they when they act like they're supposed to it just don't happen as often. So so my my main takeaway if anybody's taking away from this that is wondering is give yourself the option and and try. Don't don't don't limit it to one the perfect one.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Because if I if I've only shot them on those perfect ones it'd be far fewer of those turkeys is what I'm getting at. It happens and it's fun and it's pretty but that ain't how they play the game necessarily I mean you the more yeah don't focus on too much.
SPEAKER_01:Focus on two things staying concealed get him in that bubble.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah and be in the body being able to shoot him in a bubble. Mm-hmm make it comfortable for him to be in where he where he eliminate the places he doesn't have to go.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And don't worry about your comfortable yeah I mean you're probably gonna be a little uncomfortable for a little while.
SPEAKER_00:Um and if he's gobbling and letting you know exactly where he's at and there's a mound of earth between you move your dang legs. Like you're not gonna bump him it's okay. If you're hunting to where you can probably only shoot him within the first five seconds of him being in sight of you and you being inside of him you can kind of you you can get comfortable multiple times. You're probably gonna be moving around and stuff the whole time. Probably swiveling with him as he's skirting you this way and he's skirting you this way and trying to get behind you and stuff. Another one starts gobbling off your other shoulder when you're frozen on that one lane you ain't moving at all you know and that's another thing and I was uh I took my wife deer hunting the other day and she was sitting there holding a rifle up a dog walked out and she was I was like just you know pretend you're shooting it she didn't want to shoot it and I was like I ain't mad at that because it's pretty cold and I don't really yeah I'm like that's okay you ain't got to um and she was I was like but hold the gun up and pretend you are just to get you know what if one walks out I don't want this to be the first time he've thrown a rifle up you know and look through a scope in over a year or something. Right. Um get you know kind of familiarize yourself with it. But I was like after a while I was like you can let it down just just in case don't use all your arm strength for for no reason um that's why I I kind of have my my gun resting a lot. I don't I don't necessarily just hold it up and then that moment of truth really does come. What you think might happen does happen and you ain't you're sitting there doing this. There's one in Tennessee I'm telling you if I could have any back it'd be that one I was too ready the whole time and I didn't shoot him and he was 30 tops and I saw him a million different times and I couldn't get I couldn't get my mouth caught up make a sound I was so caught mouth I was so just drained and I could not just hold my gun up. I was having to rotate my feet with it. I was just exhausted and I was just hoping the my only chance was hoping he stopped and he didn't gobble three four times coming down.
SPEAKER_01:I've I've been in that scenario I mean I'm built like a dang grasshopper I ain't got much to burn yeah you know I mean I'm gonna be honest and so I mean I gotta really be careful with how much I hold a 11 pound 870 up free handed. Right.
SPEAKER_00:You know I start carrying 20 gauge of that of the day I said I gotta change. Got it I got it. I ain't as I ain't as good as I once was kind of deal. Like I ain't I ain't 18 playing football anymore.
SPEAKER_01:And it's hard to hold that joker up way as much as dang there there was one hunt with Mason that I was set up on the side of the tree. He was set up in the front of the tree and though you know that you were y'all weren't far from us down the hunting the other day. It was those four came up struting y'all couldn't see them but four came up strut and then hung up out there about sixty something yards. I forgot and I couldn't help but it wasn't my knees were facing left turkeys were on the right almost I was kind of in a twist but I had the free hand yeah I remember Mason eventually reached up and grabbed my my about where my hand was was about where his shoulder was you know we were safe about it. My barrel went past all the film you know but we were both facing down the road essentially but I had started cutting such big circles with the end of my barrel he was like you gotta sit still I'm like dude you're gonna have to hold this gun for me you know you're gonna have to do something.
SPEAKER_00:We were kids uh also when Nick Mitchell Joseph Ryan Vladz had to hold his gun because he was sitting there and we're making a one coming and I mean Jose was a good turkey hunter. He he always has been even we were young and he he had come to hopefully help help us out. Yeah I was like well I I've given everything I can give and we we didn't kill it that day either and we never did never kill a turkey on this whole place after like three years of trying we said we had royally messed it up so bad trying to figure it out. He was kind of like the the dog we called in like all right if he can't we we can rest easy you know and um he came in and Nick was sitting there and he's like man it's and we're like man it's been like 30 seconds you know and then Joseph had to like crawl back over there and like what's gun up and then Joe's arms are doing this you know we never even saw it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah it happens yeah uncomfortable is part of it and but don't don't don't let that beat you. And yeah and don't overthink it too terribly much. Yeah because you'll end up slowing down and and messing it up and it all has to be fast.
SPEAKER_00:So if it don't feel right don't do it. You're not if you haven't ruined it you're better than have ruined it.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I'm saying? And you're always in a better spot than ruining it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Even if it's not the best.
SPEAKER_01:And it's think about it later kind of thing. To some of it. Right yeah react and and react and be prepared. And if something if it didn't go right replay it. Get get the word right out of your mind. That's the first thing.
SPEAKER_00:Bingo.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I'm saying? I agree. I agree.
SPEAKER_00:There ain't a right there ain't a it is whatever way he comes up. Yeah. And then being ready for that is the correct or the the the the one that winds up working so to speak. Kind of I didn't thought about that until you said that but yeah I mean there really isn't a a right way a correct or guessing there ain't a good or bad either. Yeah. You know this is the one that's got the most options. Anyway before we get too rambly uh I want to tell y'all we appreciate it. Appreciate y'all listening to this um really appreciate y'all leaving reviews all the stars and whatnot. That's how we get in front of people that's you know we see who does that and stuff and we we can't thank y'all enough. I hope um we'll be able to talk soon at the at the convention here up in Nashville. With that uh yeah that's all we got we'll see you next Monday on the Spring Legion podcast. Appreciate y'all listening
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