The Spring Legion Podcast
Welcome to a year-round discussion on the wild turkey and those who hunt them. Hosted by Hunter Farrior, founder of Spring Legion and author of Ballad of a Turkey Hunter, the weekly podcast is geared for all outdoor communities and dives deeper than the usual tactics and calling tips. Holding true to the brand, topics are built upon respecting the heritage and challenges of hunting, with a never-ending appreciation for all that the spring season provides. Enjoy insight from special guests like Dave Owens of Pinhoti Project, Cuz Strickland of Mossy Oak, our friends at NWTF and Muscadine Bloodline, and so many more widely known for their impact in the turkey hunting community, as well as the deer, duck, and waterfowl realm, who exhibit the obsession of which only a real turkey hunter may truly understand. Thanks for listening.
The Spring Legion Podcast
Turkey Vests: From Old Faithfuls to Making Our Own in 2026
Introducing the new Spring Legion Turkey Vest for Spring 2026, we reflect on the vests we've worn over the years and a few stories that came with them.
First signs of spring are back—birds waking up, weeds popping, and that itch to get your vest dialed. We’ve been obsessed with building a turkey vest that actually helps you hunt better, and we finally pulled the curtain back. High and tight so it doesn’t slap your knees. Quiet, durable fabric that molds to your body. MOLLE-compatible layout to add what you need and drop what you don’t. No magnets to fail in a thicket or mess with your compass. A butt pad that rides slim but still gives you that post-shot flop that feels like victory.
We walk through the decisions that took years to refine: a detachable box call holder that doesn’t rattle, striker storage that won’t lose your favorites, slate pockets with a divider for conditioning pads, and a dump pocket for tags, zip ties, batteries, and the random essentials you actually use. Hydration is routed clean through the strap so you can take a sip without shifting a gun off your knee. Fit extensions and an XL option make it accessible without turning it into a bulky mess.
Then we take you to Tennessee. Picture pounding rain, cattle pastures, and a square of yellow flowers. We break down how we moved through livestock, secured permission, managed wind with a box call, and threaded a barrel through a heavy panel fence to set up a clean shot on two strutters. When the tom tried to recover, the ability to move fast without snagging gear made the difference. Along the way we dig into loadout philosophy—Thermacell over DEET, permethrin-treated clothes, two strikers you trust, one slate or glass, and a box call when the timber demands reach.
We finish with tactics that travel anywhere: using a real wing for subtle fly-downs that keep mystery alive, scratching to mark location without overcommitting, and reading silence as movement. If a gobbler shuts up after a wing beat, he might be on the way. Stay just below the crest, pull him to an edge, and let curiosity do the work. Hit play to learn why simple, quiet, and modular beats heavy and complicated—and how to set yourself up for a better spring.
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All right, what's happening, everybody? Welcome back to the Spring Legion podcast. I'm your host, Sonor Farrier, joining you alongside Chase Farrier again on this very mild January day. It is 2026 now. So that's pretty cool. Pretty cool. My book means we are in the year in which the oncoming turkey season will be. That don't get your blood hot. At least the uh the the birds and stuff you're starting to kind of hear a little bit here and there return from their very short two-week winter slumber, it seems. Uh starting to hear some familiar sounds and stuff that you associate with spring and seeing was it dandelions? I guess is that weed that that comes out kind of first, and then the daffodils. We ain't got a lot of daffodils around here, but um, I remember in Georgia that was kind of a telltale sign that good news is on the way in terms of turkey season. But nonetheless, we're gonna we're back. We apologize for uh leaving you hanging last week. We were spending time with family and stuff and um kind of under the radar getting ready for what happened to be the biggest release of Spring Legion yet, right? Which at the time this recording happened about two hours ago, and that is the new Spring Legion turkey hunting vest. Yep. So that's that's um I'm not even gonna go with hours on how much how many hours we're spending to putting this together, but days, because I'm sure it is literally years, honestly. Honestly years. We kind of started this project. I I was living in Georgia, so that was what, two, three years ago?
SPEAKER_01:Every bit of three years ago. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And um dwindled away, dwindled away, dwindled away, and and to me and I think to a lot of folks who get it really honed in on making the perfect turkey hunting vest. Right. Down to every negum stitch. Uh I'm sure Chase and my wife and everybody who's associated with it, including the manufacturers, are tired of me nitpicking about every little thing, but that's what turkey hunters do. Right. Uh it's just a a trait of turkey hunting is being meticulous about everything, and I am meticulous to the degree of aggravation when it comes to stuff that I wear in the turkey voice. And I wanted a a vest that that kind of cleared it, cleared all the checks, you know. And we've been we've been grinding on it literally for for multiple years. And and if if you haven't checked it out, check it out at springlegion.com. Um you can save 10% on them with pod 10 as your discount code, POD10. But that's kind of the theme of today's episode is Turkey Hunt and Vest, and it's not necessarily a vest dump because my vest is indumpable, so to speak, because it's split between about 13 different samples.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right now.
SPEAKER_02:And and that is not like me because I'm very my turkey vest is sacred. You know, it it is my baby. I I take care of it. It it gets put in on top of the box after everything else goes into the you know, the storage totes and stuff, my vest goes in last, folded neatly and everything, and I don't open it until usually late January, mostly to to retain the smell of that box, because that's my favorite part about it, is opening that box back up and and smelling turkey season for the first time and what feels like a a lifetime. But um, so I hope y'all appreciate that I sacrificed all of that to get this joker out in time for y'all to get one before um before spring rolls around. Then um, yeah, I I I want to say me and uh Devin were taking pictures and and I had to open the box. I'm like, just just let me have about 10 seconds. Yeah. Because that's all you get really. And um, but no, I mean it we're we're gonna talk about kind of the the I guess those are meticulous little things we're we're picky about with the vest and and what we like to see in a vest, and and kind of goes hand in hand with what we got here laying on the table in front of us. This is the we've got the uh original bottom land one. We've also got them in green leaf, but uh to hit on a couple of little little pieces of it. They I wanted the vest to fit high and tight and and and not flop and not hit my knees when I'm you know crouching around and stuff like that. And um we we we took away a lot of stuff, you know, everything that I I I deem un unneeded in a vest, you know, made sure we we didn't include it. And and the things we did add as as far as features go, we made it kind of molly compartment compatible. So if you do have existing Molly compartment type accessories and stuff like rangefinder pouches, thermozill holders, um everything. We've we've got a a detachable box call holder that's on there, so you can take it off.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_02:You can put it on the side, you can put it in the back, you can put a hydration system in the back as as far in and the hose comes out the front and comes in over the over the strap, straps it down. Um you can you can add whatever you want to to it, but you ain't gotta have it. Right. You're not locked down with having that.
SPEAKER_01:It's not stitched on, kind of.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and and that's um, you know, leaving the leaving the options open is all it's really going for.
SPEAKER_01:Right, other than the what you gotta have kind of thing. What we deem at the as that at least. Um thing I like about it is the the no pockets on the inside where it's gonna rub your anything like that.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it it keeps it low profile, so it's always hugging you. And everything is gonna be on the outside, everything that's in the inside, it I've had vegetable pockets on the inside. I a lot of fumbling goes around when you're trying to go underneath and inside of something. Yeah. And it makes everything stick out, and then you snag on stuff and whatnot.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And also like the the removable box call pouch, because I don't carry a box call. Which I'm you know one of the rare people that don't, which I think there's I don't know. I think a lot of folks don't. Right. There's more people that don't now that I've talked about it. Um I've gotten some feedback that I'm I'm not alone. Yeah. So it's uh that's a good thing for me, you know, because I don't want to necessarily carry it. But you know, put a thermocell pouch there or something like that. Go with that instead.
SPEAKER_02:And and I do carry a box call and I carry a very small box call. So I wanted to make sure these box call holders don't rattle with it. Right. And that was that's as small as you're gonna make a box call right there. So if it don't rattle with that, it ain't gonna rattle. I'm shaking it for those who are just listening and not watching, I'm shaking it as we speak.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:If it don't rattle in that, it ain't gonna rattle. And um, yeah, you can take it off of there, put it on the side. I like I like to put it in the back of mine. The only bad thing is that it always falls down. So we kind of incorporated some demolish straps in the back. It's kind of like something you've always thought of, and you're you you're kind of built yourself in a situation where you can you can do that now. You can make the range if if nothing came out of. I told my buddy Gary. Um he ran a vest like mine for for years, and uh if nothing comes out of this, I'm at least getting me and you a sample so we can you know properly retire the vest we got. Tell me tell me some things you you want to you know make of it, because he he also likes his fitting high and tight. It's uh I mean it's a it's it turned out good.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna tell you a little bit more about this vest, and then we're we're also gonna spill into some stuff, you know, vests we've had in the past. And I got a story involving a vest that I'll tell here in just in a moment. But uh yeah, y'all check them out, the uh the new Spring Legion Turkey vest at springlegion.com and do use code pod 10 for 10% off. I apologize for those who have already purchased one before this episode comes out. And and I'm saying that with a slight reservation because there is a limited quantity available.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_02:I hope there's still some there. We're gonna go check them out on when this will come out on Monday. I hope there's still some there. I think there probably will be, maybe not in in all the options. There's a there's a bottom land and a green leaf option as well as an XL version. The XL version's got an extra four inches on the actual material to to add into the waist circumference. The regular well actually the regular and the Xhale both come with spare extensions for the front straps. So you you clip them on the front straps, it goes around your belly kind of. That adds an extra ten inches of of wiggle room or you know what have you there. And then um, and then the XL is kind of the the extendo version. It it adds a uh 14 total inches to it. Or no, eighteen total inches to it, because four on each side. Yeah, four on each side and ten in the middle.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So pretty versatile. And they can adjust up real high and and and even real low for height. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I put it on Logan Cook, who is what, six, six, six, seven? Something like that, yeah. And he he you know, stripped the the the straps down and it hung you know right on him. And I I think my wife put it on and she's you know, I don't know how tall she is. Five, six pro. Probably maybe. But the same. And um fit her fine all the way up. She she, you know, she wasn't even all the way to the top. Um yeah, I could I could literally I ain't gonna waste the whole episode telling y'all about this vest because I I mean there's so many little knickknacks and stuff, you know. Yeah. I mean, I I'm a I'm a believer that a turkey vest is supposed to have a flopping butt pad. That's just I I think of, and I'm not, I mean, I'm pretty sure this was Glasscock Island when Will Primo shot a turkey and he's got his like wing hanging on by a string. I I think it he you see his like butt flab flapping as he goes out to get it. That's just like an iconic moment. If not, I think of a lot of other times and that has happened. Um the the sound of wing beating on the ground, you know, of a turkey you just shot, but also like the the sound of a butt pad getting kicked by your the back of your thigh, you know, as you're running out to him, it feels right. Because you if if you see somebody standing up and their butt pads flapping, just hanging loose, y'all probably just shot something. So it's always like associated that to me. Um because if you get up and you're making a move or whatever, you used to put it up. And so I mean, I just I I wanted to include that and make it thin. I I'm not a sitter, I don't sit for too long. Just comfortable enough to last a good while, but as not a lazy boy recliner back there that's gonna snag on every branch as you slip through the woods and stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Um one thing that I I I think people are gonna have questions about is the mag no magnets in here.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no magnets in there.
SPEAKER_01:So that's a big thing.
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah, I I've I've never really been a huge fan of magnets because they they I want it I want to put I want to stay in there, you know. Yeah. I I have one of the vests that had the magnets on the back and stuff, and it it it fell a lot. No, they never hold up. They when you're trying it on in the store, they don't fall, but when you're trying to get through a thicket, yeah, it falls a lot. And um, so I kind of I think a little bias after that one, kind of put a bad taste in my mouth on the magnets. But also, and I mean I wear a bino harness and stuff, they make some of that magnets and stuff. To my knowledge, I think magnets kind of screw with compasses, right? Which now I guess is in your phone, you know, when it comes to navigation and stuff. And I've gotten, and me and you both actually got bad turnaround in some woods one time. Yep. Because yours was saying go one way, mine was saying go another way. You know, we we we just had to pick one, and we and and finally I I turned my tracker on on the on the map, and we had done circles, you know, and we were just going back and forth and it was pointing this way and this way, and it we're like trying to find turkey, we're trying to get out of there. I'm like, dude, we are we're really lost out, actually. Yeah. And um, so that's when I, you know, I don't know if one of us had a magnet on on their chest or something next to their phone and that was throwing it off, or I don't know if it's a service issue or whatever, but I'd rather not worry with it, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I I'm with you on that board. I'm not a fan of magnets, never was. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So anyway, so the I I got a story to tell about Turkey Vest. Uh I don't I'm I'm sure you don't because that's kind of a hard topic to just think of like that. Did you have a story about Turkey Vest? Right. Um Take Add is a no. Pretty much, yeah. All right. Pretty much no. Um what was your what was your favorite turkey vest before this one? And I'm assuming this is gonna be your favorite. You hadn't been able to hunt it in too much. I've gotten hunting it for a couple years.
SPEAKER_01:Is it rough that I say the one I didn't carry one? Which doesn't make sense, but that um going from my Dixon, which was a great turkey vest, but it was heavy. I ended up just kind of dropping down to very little stuff. Um I enjoyed my Dixon. It wasn't very adjustable, but um it's a good tighter fitting vest, but it was a cool vest to have, I guess. Yeah. Um I've had a few. I've I hadn't had many turkey vests, honestly. I've had the Yeah, mine for a long time because I always wanted it back. Yeah, I didn't love it because it covered my hand pocket my my pant pockets. And went it was too long. That was a good vest, though. But it was a good vest. It was laid out well. Um I don't remember which it was.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's at the house. Um got a lot of dirgies in that one. It's um I got and the one we're talking about, I think is the Super Elite 2 from Marseille back 2012, maybe. It was a good vest. I mean I I I appreciated those vests. It wasn't a strap vest, but it was it was a it was a good vest. And um they don't they don't make them like that anymore, I don't think. But but if I say I think I I think I did buy one. And I'm a I'm a bit of a collector of the vest, you know, the of the originals and stuff, the original strap vest from my oak. And the you know, the the cool old school patterns and stuff, I keep them and I've hunted in them before too. Oh yeah. Um my favorite vest I think to this day though was like a$30 field line vest from Walmart. I I wanna I can't remember who I was talking with the other day about them, but they they weren't good at all. But a lot of good memories were made in them. Like every every snap, every zipper on them broke, but I feel like everyone who was like 15 years old had those because they're like just the the ones from Walmart you go get. Right. And so everybody kind of had those in their in their core memories of like, you know, screwing around in the jerky was more than actually like hunting them. Right. But that's when you know a lot of good memories are made, so that that's one I know is hung up in a closet somewhere.
SPEAKER_01:But is that the ones that used to come in like the breakup, the old black color breakup?
SPEAKER_02:That's probably a a super elite.
SPEAKER_01:Um I remember you had one at one point. Yeah. I think that was in that.
SPEAKER_02:I think I did, but the one was like old school obsession. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know which one you're talking about now. Yep. It um the shoulder one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a good vest. I wore it a few times actually.
SPEAKER_02:It w it wasn't a great put-together vest, but I didn't expect much for whatever, you know, 40 bucks at Walmart at the time. But it but it was it was fun to have and and a lot of good memories were made in it. And then then I went to then that's probably when I got that one. You're you still have it when I went to college. But then um but when I went to that turkey 83 times, I went through some vests. I changed, I changed everything I could think of. I changed my the patterns of my camo, the deodorant I wore, the side of the bed I slept on, went through a couple vests there, um, got a really, really, really bulky one, and that's when I said I've got to fix this. Yeah. This is this is uh like walking around with a Hilton hotel strapped to your back, and I was like, this is too who in the world needs all this stuff, and I couldn't take it off. And it just pissed me off. I'm like, this is this is not an asset, this is a liability I'm wearing here. 100%. And and the the butt pad was about eight inches thick. It was it was 11 different straps to adjust, and they all had about 19 inches of excess, you know, nylon webbing hanging off of them and stuff, and I couldn't couldn't get my hand in the pocket without getting caught in some kind of snare. 16 different striker pockets and 11 box call holder things and mouth call pouches for your mouth call pouches, and I was like, okay. We'll figure this out. And then that's when this kind of all started, honestly, before Spring Legion was uh was figuring out a way to uh uh to take away because uh a good turkey vest in my in my mind is one that don't get in your way. You know? And and um hopefully, hopefully it it does that. I think it will. But not that the store the when this ain't a story about a vest necessarily, but it got me thinking is is chasing bricks in here too, running the camera over there, because we have uh failed to do good at this camera stuff because we can't really see the backside of it, and then it's cut off on us a couple times. Uh has run out of battery a couple times, including the last episode. And Chase Rat turned it on one of the episodes. And out of four, three mess ups is when you call in somebody. Yeah, you know, so we got Breck, he is the the monitor watcher today. And uh you good over there, Brick? All right. But anyway, so this is past season and it's the it's the it's the last one I did in my the vest I've worn for the past ten years, probably. And that the the vest I'm wearing is kind of the the end result of that turkey I hunted in 2017. And y'all know the turkey I'm talking about, the one that the 82 and one turkey that I hunted literally 83 times, and I tried everything I think of, but I learned more from that turkey than I have any other turkey and a lot of turkey have died on behalf of that knowledge that I've gained from that turkey. Um and that's that's the the single we all have a moment where we realize what turkey hunting's about and that was it for me was holding him and and how quiet the woods were that morning, you know, at 8.37 or whatever that was. For the first time in in several seasons, there wasn't nothing there to hunt the next morning, and it was a little solemn of a feeling, you know, a little uh an odd, an odd feeling that I wasn't expecting, and and I realized that turkey hunting, the addiction, the obsession, all that stuff that comes with turkey hunting comes from the the failures more than it does the success. I I you know I that's where the appreciation lies, is the difficulty in it. And um but but that being said, as as difficult as it is, I I wound up with a vest that didn't get in my way. Yeah. And that that's when I was like, okay, I found something kind of close to what I'm thinking about. And that and that wound up being the vest I ran for the last ten years, probably or nine years, I guess, now. Um But the but even then it was hard parting with it. Right. You know, when we when we started getting samples in and I'd worn samples when I'm hunting with somebody and ain't shooting and stuff and I don't really need my stuff, I'd wear the samples and run it through it and then and then if it was just me hunting, I'd put my my my vest back on, not the Marine Legion sample vest, the one I've always worn. Just because it it felt right and and I was familiar with it and it takes some breaking into to get used to other stuff. So this vest resembles that one a whole lot too literally, so I wouldn't have to adapt to anything. Move some pockets the other sides and added the, you know. the compatibility aspect to it and and reduce some of the wasted area. But other than that, I I wanted to be at least kind of semi-familiar with where the stuff is going to be in the sake of I'm wearing one of these samples and I get a bind and I need to grab X real quick. I I know where it's going to be somewhat. But um but I was uh it was it was this past year intensity when I I really had to transfer into I'm like all right we're gonna make sure this Joker will will handle the rest of the season and because we got a lot of hunting ahead of us. I was like if it if it makes it through this alright I'm comfortable you know putting it out there because I ain't gonna put nothing out there that ain't pretty proven. You know um I respect everybody's dollar and if we're gonna get their dollar I want them you know getting what they they traded it for for a long time at least and um and I didn't even know this guy I'm hunting with and I'm like this is a it's gonna be a kind of a big deal and you don't even know me and I don't even know you know he didn't know this was a big deal obviously I didn't tell him I'm like it's gonna be my last hunt with my vest all right cool yeah anyway you ready you know I mean there's there's no real connection there um but by the end of it there was because that's how that's what turkey hunting does to folks. Right is you know it kind of binds you together like that. And um I I uh his name's Grayson he lives in Tennessee and um I g Peyton I don't know if it's a relative of my wife or not or if it's like one of those friend cousins who you you find out 15 years they're not really your cousin. They were just like your parents' friend but you just assume they were because they were always around and the family functioning and stuff or whatever but um his name's Scott I actually went hunting with him this year. He's funny uh funny dude and and a a good good guy and he he linked me up with Grayson and I was come having to be coming back through I was like I'll call him you know and see I got a tag still I already shot one I think and still had that one. And um he was like yeah swing this way and just meet me at my house you know did that introduce ourselves and um got in there pretty late I I want to say because I'm late to everything I feel like but I feel like this was expected it wasn't me being tardy it was me you know coming from I guess I was my way back from Kentucky actually but oh that's what it was I went to hunt with Dr. Chamberlain Cussy and all them in Kentucky they just told me Kentucky I did find out I don't know if you remember this but I was really kind of in a in a bind there because I didn't know much about this trip. I didn't know I was supposed to be on it with NWTF and stuff. I wasn't in the email thread they sent it to the wrong email so they all knew about everything when to be there where to go and stuff like that. I didn't I'd finally like text Matt or whoever was kind of hitting it up dude I'm in like Virginia now I need what part do I go to I I just know Kentucky on this day and he told me where I'm like state right now I literally shot dirty in West Virginia ten miles from there a couple years ago you know and that was a long way from home. I thought you were talking about you know bowling green area maybe so I was um I wasn't in Virginia then I was I was here when I was talking to him headed to Georgia and I wanted to go to Virginia that's why I was trying to see if I could afford that and I definitely couldn't um but anyway so I was coming back from there so it it took me a lot longer to get to Tennessee than I originally planned. Anyway um get there and we and we wake up the next morning and and it he he knows the area pretty well he turkey hunt a lot and he likes taking he's a good dude. Right. He likes taking other folks turkey hunting he um got got a good bit of property and stuff his family does and everything and and and lives in the pretty part of Tennessee that it's always fun to hunt and and we wake up and we go to a another buddy of his's house I have no idea what's going on most of the time you know I'm just like along for the ride or whatever. Right. I've been just truck head there and um it comes a flood pretty much as we're walking that we're hunting behind this buddy's house practically to to kick the day off and it it comes I think yeah I think it comes a flood before we even get there and we just kind of sit under some trees trying to see if we can weight it out. It's one of them spot showers that are heavy spot showers and this bird's hammering I hear it walking in and I'm I turkey hunt not for a living but I turkey hunt a lot and my I I I I'm blessed to be able to do that. But I'm when I'm the new guy I'm I'm quiet. I don't you know especially if I don't know him you know and I hear this turkey goblin on the way in I don't I don't think they'd hear it maybe you know it's just walking depends on who's stepping at what time if you're gonna hear it. And so I've kind of got it in the back of my mind and then we get there and they're kind of like well we ain't heard one or something and then he fires off the oh okay and they they knew exactly where that turkey was and stuff I'm like dang you know I heard that way and but they're gonna find out we weren't on the the honorable part until we got there anyway would not have mattered. So I could have left that part out but I I don't know why I feel compelled to include that. Um anyway this turkey's hammering but then it it the rain's just so dang much it's it's almost do we risk messing him up or can we get out of there because it has been sunrise for a while and it's still very dark. What do these spot showers are ain't spotty they're like blanket at this point. So we go back to the truck before it stopped raining. You know as soon as we get in the truck it stops raining. Go back to this other spot he he knew of where we were thinking about going anyway turkeys there I mean probably everywhere have already flown down we sit up and we I remember we had to um weave through some cattle so we're coming through and and trying not try if you if you've never done that like had to incorporate a a third party into a a turkey hunt yeah it's rough you're speaking of cows or okay just multiple people horses horses and cows are are hard to get through dogs I've I've had to deal with them before like walking walking a line like going through a gate and getting to where you're gonna try to get on a turkey and and not bumping these dogs and this neighbor's pen got 38 rabbit dogs in there that's gonna just sound off and they ain't gonna stop for three hours.
SPEAKER_01:You ain't gonna hear nothing if you if you break the wrong twig we've dealt with that before multiple times.
SPEAKER_02:And um you've dodged some buffaloes haven't you've also dodged some buffaloes um yeah I was on a reservation out there one time and I'm trying to figure out what kind of tracks these are and I'm I'm way on out there. No I don't think there's a truck for counties and I look up and this is like I mean this is I'm in the open area pro obviously and tell you exactly where but ain't many trees around and um and I see these like I couldn't tell what I mean it just looked like fur coming over horizon and I'm like what are these little things moving here and I could it was just it was the backs of buffalo about 100 yards away and I'm about 400 yards away from my truck and there ain't nothing I could even climb between me and my truck and I'm looking and I'm I'm thinking I'm at like a watering hole or something like that maybe. Yeah. Yeah because it was it was damp around there I'm like dude what are these never even registered that it could be buffalo yeah and they were headed to that watering hole and that's where I was and thank goodness I looked up when I did because there was a about 600 of them I don't know how many it was probably like 11 felt like it I'm sure I saw woo not even one I saw wood and I was like that's enough for me. Yeah other way we get another way got out of there that could have been wild oh yeah there for a second I don't think I can outrun them I don't know how much of a head start I would need but I didn't find out but um but no so we had a weed through up this I mean cattle pasture and it is freaking full of cows. Yeah I don't know that's like you know how they do their land or whatever but there's a ton of cows and and I like hunting where cows are a because you know usually that's good pasture. Right. And that's where turkeys kind of go I think they're right and I think they do eat bugs and stuff that are under cow patties and stuff like that. And um I think it's an attractant so to speak preferred to than a just a grass field maybe but um but also the the cows usually if there's wooded area around a cow pasture go look at it it looks like you burned it because they've they've just beaten it down and they've just I mean they're disrupting it's just as much and they just you know it looks like in an open open hardwoods underneath it kind of regardless of how the the land folds but anyway so um we're playing you know the game of operation on on how to go about these cows and stuff and not not bump the wrong one and and and scare these turkeys we think are out there. We don't know that they're there. And that's another thing I'm sure you've done this before too is if you ever like spent an hour and a half slipping through something and whatever because you for real no reason you just think a turkey is where it was one time we get there and it wasn't there wasn't in there. Yeah. So we did all this we wasted you know a couple hours wind up being turkeys there's on the other side of Pond Dam. We found that out after the fact um we'll never know if we bumped them there or not. They didn't goblise they didn't respond to us nothing like that so chalk it up as a as a loss regardless but anyway so we um we are headed back to I think I want to say the original place this is all within 10 minutes of each other and he's telling me about his family and stuff the family had strawberry farms or something like that. He's I mean he's he's a genuine dude and he's he's very open about I I've been blessed. You know my family you know owns this town practically yeah and we're sitting there stuff I'm like do they own that part? Because there's a couple strutters right there like in front of us as we're part like eating Little Debbie or something. He's like Yeah I think that they're like is whoever he's like I can hunt that yeah he said let me let me let them know and um went up there I think he actually we went up there and and he he talked to him in person I don't know I ain't got a truck so I don't know he didn't call and it was on the way and he just hopped out and hollered at him and hop back in and we'd come in and we had to get on top of him and I mean I would much rather hunt a turkey here first rather than see but right this was a very pretty scenario so it was it I like being in open when it looks like this I mean just a a blanket of yellow flowers and and and the you know the pretty part of Tennessee if y'all have ever been is is it's got some really really pretty stuff up there. And um and we had to get on top on top of them kind of come through. Also cows. Yeah and the spot we're in the spot they're in does not so it's a little squared off pasture in and it's got a gate and um and we're slipping through and stuff and trying to stay above them so they have to come up and over into this corner so to speak and we're in the shadows and we get up there and and pretty much I think okay there's two gates and he I somehow or another we communicate I'm gonna get to that gate and then it's just gonna be kind of whatever happens you know if I got to move here or whatever we ain't gonna kind of stay together no more. But and this is something I do if I'm with somebody especially a stranger I mean I guess not especially a stranger but including a stranger is like be be very definite and very clear and precise on like where you're at and I I mouth stranger or someone I know of close like after now don't move. I don't care what happens if I've got the gun do not move because I know I know where you're at yeah and I don't want you to move and me think you're there and me be you know give me the open to shoot this direction because what's gonna happen if I look back and you ain't there I ain't shooting at all. Because I don't know you know even if it's in the wide open I do I don't know and I ain't I ain't risking it. And then I'm really gonna be mad at you you know you know if I don't shoot a turkey that I could have shot because you slipped on back and didn't tell me or were doing something else or whatever. So he he stayed put but the gate he was thinking was not the gate I was thinking so we're kind of we're kind of hanging back for no reason. I'm like all right what you know and and then come to find out he's like no I'm at the gate up there is where I was going to get I'm like oh I didn't know there was another gate you know that makes a lot more sense because you don't want to have no conversation there or whatever but if you you at least want to be like hey I I think I got another idea you know if we get a little closer so we were on the same page just didn't know it. Um regardless he he he says all right this is where I'm gonna be I said okay cool and I go up there and get the call on these and it was windy and blue bird day now. Rain's gone pressure's increasing and um these birds are freaking beautiful out there. Apparently I spent the whole morning printing after the rain and stuff and it wasn't a feather out of place and I mean just really pretty birds and um I couldn't really see them the whole time until they they finally broke over the hill but I could I could almost stand up and see tips of the tail fan and then I think I saw a hen or two. But um I was trying my hardest just to get some calls down there just to catch their attention. It took a while of just wailing on a box and um I I can see their heads stick up a little bit and I I'm far enough away where I can like you know crank on a box look at them and then see what they do and then get back down and they they can't see me or at least know what I'm at what I am at least. Right. And um they come up and it takes them it takes them 35 minutes probably to ease up there and there's several different scenarios that if they come up this tree line I'm I'm I'm in a bind but I can do this and I'm trying to eliminate that bind by doing this but as long as I don't create a bind up to my right if they come high I'm in a good spot I don't like getting necessarily to the very top I like to get a little bit lower just in case um ideally I would like to call them you know to the edge and then if I had to pull them up I think that's easier usually than pulling them up and have them pull them to the edge because they're already above you and they can already see that edge a little better. But there's also this um you know that kind of welded not welded wire but like livestock panels the four by four squares of like hog wire? Yeah pretty much um we used to use it for rooster pens and chicken houses. Right. But we you've got it in line in your backyard courtesy of Sanderson. But um makes a good fence too and um so I had to stick my gun barrel through it because there was no nothing I could get in behind it and I couldn't shoot through it. It wasn't like shooting through like dog pen. It was I mean it was thick gauge and I wasn't even about to just blast one off and at six feet in front of me. I don't know where those tails would wind up you know um so I was like I gotta get my barrel out there at least and um I think oh my dad um shot cam which I got a shot cam this year. I'm glad I did. And I was trying to like literally film with it. And this came in my mind as they're coming up I'm like man this is going to be beautiful. I'm just like following them with my barrel because I'm in the shadow and they I know they don't see me I've done yelped a couple times then I had to yelp a couple times pull them back. They were missing the mark a little bit and I just had to steer them just a hair work through a T. They're coming in strutting and hammering gobbling and it is very high press I mean it's loud and uh they're looking and hammering and looking and hammering and one of those guys like gold tint to him and stuff and um not I wind up um shooting them come to find out the sim card had filled up I forgot sim cards exist or SD card existed because I know for a fact I charged it all night. Right and I was a little let down I'm not gonna lie but um but regardless so I I shoot turkey flops and Grayson's behind me not far behind me comes up and he's like way to go man I just thought of something on um and he's like yeah yeah he's kind of got his back turned to the turkey and I don't you know I'm trying to get my stuff up like yeah that was awesome man you see him do this yeah do you see him do that and um I see the turkey get up and I'm like hold on you know just a second and he don't he's like okay I'll hold on you know kind of whatever and I'm like oh crap and then then he realizes the turkey's kind of like I mean he kind of got I mean he was he was hit but he was kind of flopping and gaining a little ground as he flopped um enough for me to get a little uh oh um so I can I get around get around grazing get around this fence get over this gate or whatever and he he's uh he's trying he tries to like shuffle over there and put push the the the there's barbed wire on the the edge of that hog wire whatever you call it and so I'm trying to get over that we had to run down obviously 20 yards get over and come back up the hill and um somehow another that barbed wire pops up between his legs as he's trying to like step on it and I'm already over it. He lets up go real fast and I look back and he's like you just go man he's trying to he ain't he ain't terribly tall either so you know yeah I think he got him pretty good um and I'm looking back like he's gonna hate me because I didn't stop to help him but I gotta make sure the Turkey didn't get over there the turkey did everything but suspendable yeah and um ke I kept my yeah I kept my vest on for that one I'm pretty sure I usually take it off and I'm like one case on because I knew at the time that the other one had had arrived and um the what would mind being the final the final prototype so to speak of the new one and uh from then on out be wearing it and I didn't loved it but um but yeah that's a story we hadn't told and I feel like that could have kind of chimed in a little bit to the the topic of it. Um but other than that I mean you got some um some vest quirks that you roll with what kind of uh calls you use in your vest um oh you you make sure to bring and then stuff it is optional because that's some stuff I bring sometimes.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah I I agree. Does that make sense? Yeah I mean I don't always have the same amount of stuff with me at all times. Uh mainly just just one slate call or glass call whatever you want to call it uh make sure I have my wing bone and my mouth calls and I mean uh everything else is window dressing there you know for me but I like to have a thermocell with me I I cannot I will turn around and go get it if I forget it. Just one thing because I do not do bug spray. I do not do deep very well. I used to yeah it just I it makes me itch real bad for some reason. Always has I don't know if I'm a little bit allergic to something in it or if it's just that potent. Potent yeah it's working yeah it burns it works right so um I I I I've got to have a an a uh a thermocell um with me at all times I used to be against not against thermos but I would rush rather deep right just because I don't have to fool with stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Um I've gotten better at being able to fool with stuff. Right. And that that was a little bit of me just having to learn how to adapt a little bit for the long run effect. You know it's I I hate cameras still kind of but used to I would just I mean there was no hope but now I'm I'm it's not it ain't second nature Like I know what I'm doing having one, but I remember to turn it on a lot more than I used to and stuff and and remember to charge it before the get uh the for the uh for the uh hunt and stuff. But um but therm sales, it's you know that's a big one. It's it's worth it. I I do I'm I'm I'll vouch for it. I'll I use one pretty often and um I do I do keep deep with me.
SPEAKER_01:Just in case I have a vest, it's it's gonna be in there.
SPEAKER_02:It it a hundred per 100 proof or whatever they call it. Right. Um and that stuff it is gonna make you burn, but now what makes my sketch burn too, I guess. Oh, yeah. It ain't coming close. It'll help. And I and I permether and everything.
SPEAKER_01:Right. I don't know if you do it or not. I used to not. I just I just started doing that this year for the first time. It which is odd, but I mean uh it it helps. Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_02:I I I I knock on wood. I mean, I think the gators do help. If I'm not wearing gators, I'm wearing granges which are 16 inches and it's hard for tick to get from the ground up from there. You'll get ticks walking into stuff, mainly laying down. Yeah. I've noticed a big difference in the years I used to not wear Promethe and the years I do. And I keep it in my truck. I'll I'll kind of put it on like bug spray, honestly.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know, I might think you're not supposed to do that.
SPEAKER_02:I know, but but I also don't want ticks. Yeah, or whatever Lyme disease.
SPEAKER_01:I've had Rocky Mountain spotted fever, and I don't want anything. I could live related to that.
SPEAKER_02:I feel like I mean it feels like it would suck for a while, but I don't want nothing that's lifelong. Yeah. I mean, the more and more folks I talk to, the more and more folks have it. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there's a ton of people with it. I mean, I know shoot, 30, 40 people with it. And I mean it's all from a tick bike. Yep. And then they, you know, they can't even eat deer meat or a snake and all this other stuff. I'm like, why you know why would I deer hunt anymore if I can't eat the dang deer meat? That would ruin a lot for me. So I'm very pig very cautious of it now.
SPEAKER_02:But and and and I'll I think it's uh it works. And um I'm sure it does kind of work on mosquitoes too a little bit. But yeah, I keep I got deet in mine um the chalk and stuff, and then and then like so on and on these I wanted to make sure so these these slate call compartments are up here in the front. I don't use two slates. I'll one's gonna have a slate in it, one is gonna have probably my gloves and mask and shells and spare batteries and stuff like that. It's just a small pocket. Right. It's easier to manufacture and make them look the same. Um but but uh but a divider's in there so your sandpaper stuff can go there because most times if I get, I mean, I use slick on more than anything or a glass call Cody 2. Um, but the the sandpaper and and conditioner pad or whatever always wind up at the bottom. Yep and for some reason or another they they blend in with the fabric and you're just sliding over it with your finger when you need it most, and I can't ever find it. So that's that's a definite spot for those, and then the striker holder. Um I take two strikers. I cannot tell you, well, these are kind of the same that we're using here today, but I usually have one, houndstooth made a good one. Diamond wood, maybe, I think. That I don't know if that's the correct term for it, but um I use theirs and then I used the the Cody striker that came with my my call and cannot tell you what kind of wood it is. It just sounds really good to me. And and the I won't I don't like the whole sliding in striker things as much because I've lost a lot of strikers in the vest like that. So this this one opens up from the top and then um and then a dump pocket. You gotta have a good dump pocket, and then the stuff in my dump pocket's gonna be well this one has its spare extenders in it. But I put I mean I've kept everything from a little notebook journal thing in there to um I mean now it's a little more GoPro battery stuff, a little more, I mean tags. I keep those little baby zip ties in there for tags. Yeah. A knife. Um I don't really carry a ton of stuff. I do have a good pair of snips that um that actually had a lot to do with why I wanted to put those one-inch slots in the back of the vest where I can put my snips in there and they don't fumble around. They're they're putting, they're just on the on my back at all times, kind of on my back hip. Um they're good ones, I think. E easy cut with a K, maybe it's on Amazon. I got Breck. You or Dad won for Christmas. It's kind of some ratcheting snips, they're good. Um yeah, I got a uh slight call and then little box call and then my mouth call pouch. Usually it winds up in in that pocket, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I have actually taken two box calls before. Um because that box call I got it is good someday, sometimes, but it don't it don't sound like a a hen in the horrible, it's like a you know, one of those tall timber gabrils or something like that. It's it's pretty high pitched and it'll make them gobble a couple times. But sometimes if I'm hunting hardwoods and I think that's the best option to use, I'll I'll bring a more hardy box with me. Um that and then the dagum. I don't like water bottles, you know that we ain't we ain't totally water bottles. I'm not a big fan of water bottles. Got this hydro pack hose and the and the thing, and I got one of these, and not like I mean we ain't including this in the vest, but this is what I use. I don't know if the video is still rolling or not, but I I put this hydro station pack on the back of it, and it it it um it buckles into the back part of the vest.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So camel back with with molly strap style stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Um and it goes in there and then or anything really, I mean uh uh just a uh water bladder with a little hook on the and zip ties come in handy. I zip ties work. Um just just loop a zip tie through whatever you're trying to hold to it and zip it, you know, cinch it down and it's it's held just like a molly strap would. And then I run the the um the hose through here and then and then it can stitch stays put. And that keeps a the the water bottle from sloshing or crunching, but it also is very convenient if you coughing or something like that and you got a gun on your shoulder. It it's it saved the day more than I thought it would. That that's a lot of reason why I I I wear a vest as egg hydration.
SPEAKER_01:I ain't gonna lie to it. Right, yeah, because I mean I've I've never carried the backpack style one very much. I've just had a a small water butter that doesn't crinkle, doesn't get air in it, and all that stuff, and I keep it in my side pocket of my leg. And it comes it gets in the way sometimes. Obviously, I have wished I could, you know, have one better placed on my back or something like that. Um but it's it saved my life a few times too, even though it's smaller. Um but I have ran out and then had a coughing episode that's pretty rough.
SPEAKER_02:Um if you ain't blowing a turkey from getting the dry mouth, the cotton mouth, and then having to walk a little extra further than you thought and you ain't got nothing to drink. Yeah. I used to keep, and I I I don't need more. Just I think since I've kind of started bringing the the water bladder or whatever, I've always got water with me, but I used to bring that dry mouth stuff. Oh yeah, spray. Yeah, whatever it is. You get it in like the toothpaste section. I just hit that a couple times and and roll along because it isn't what it's made to do is you know, cure dry mouth. And um but then I started getting a little dehydrated pretty often. And I was like, I think there's a sign when you're when you can't really talk or move your tongue. It's so dried out, you probably need to drink water. You probably don't need to just band-aid it up like that.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Another thing I am looking forward to doing with the um having a vest again is is carrying my wing again. Yeah. Because I've I've I've missed having it on my back a lot. Um that that's probably one of the main things I would like to carry a vest for.
SPEAKER_02:And and and I'm glad you brought that up. I think you had to bring that up when we did the gamekeeper podcast. Yeah, and we were kind of going through our vest when we were on there, and and I forgot that, and that's I I used it at least once a hunt, if not more than once. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I was making sure.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I mean they turkey fly creeks, they do that. And like, I'm telling you, I I I'm a believer in just using a wing whenever. Now you gotta like do a flight. I don't cackle when I do one. I I I like to leave the the door open of suspense as much as I can. If I can if I can let that turkey not wonder which hen I am, but rather am I a hen or a gobbler? Then it branches off into which gobbler, which hen, you know, then which direction? I want to leave it as open as possible to keep him as curious as possible. I don't want to reveal nothing. Uh, you know, if I if I calculate it, he might probably know that's a hen, he might have hens with him. You know, he might have came there because he thought it was a gobbler or not a hen. I don't know. And I don't usually, when I do fly down, I I, you know, this is a theory, but I more times not a uh a gobbler, I I think drops down. If you watch them, a lot of times if it kind of spirals down real quick like that, I think it's usually a gobbler, a hen will, you know, and fly down a little more. A lot of them do cackle and stuff. Um I don't know that I've heard a gobbler cackle like that, but it I could be wrong. Um But I don't necessarily, and then a lot of times the the hen that I'm trying to think if it's the hen on the ground first or last. I can't remember. But I watched it at least twice in the past two years, and it was consistent with one or the other. I I think I literally took notes on it. I'll have to go back and look, I don't want to lie to you. But um, there's usually one hands one sometimes do like an assembly yelp, like a yelp, yop, yop, yop, yop. Not always in the spring, a lot in the fall, I know they do. But um, usually there's one, and she's she's got the same, whatever that cadence is, is the same thing over and over again, over and over again. And she's walking towards the guy over and over again, and he's the one, she's the one he's waiting on, it seems like. Um, the other ones can come and go and they're frolicking around and then cutting back and forth, and he it's almost like they don't they don't exist at all. He's waiting on that one that's just on the beeline, and uh like they know what they're doing. They're you know, gosh creatures are designed to do that. But um, but I don't a lot of times, and kind of a little more as of the past season or two, is uh you know, if I do a fly down, and especially if he if he responds, and by responding don't mean he has to gobble at it or something like that. If he shuts up after I fly down, I that's a response. Yeah. I think a good one.
SPEAKER_01:I agree.
SPEAKER_02:He's think you you might have just turned him. You you just opened up a Pandora's box, and and this is what it is kind of going through my mind. I can think of uh a very specific instance in Kentucky a couple years ago. Tree yelped to a gobble a couple times, he answered me once or twice, cut it off. He he kind of doing the once or twice, you know, three in a row gobbles. I'm like, he's getting ready to to to pitch more than likely. And they'll shut up, and then sometimes they'll just gobble and ain't moved, and you're like, well, dang. You know, I thought for sure he's on the ground. But I did a fly down after one of his gobbles, and he didn't say nothing after that, and I'm like, okay. And and that's when I'm kind of just sitting there waiting, like, it'd be cool if you did gobble or you know, something the next thing I hear is and he's he's he's on the ridge uh in front of me, and it is and then he hammers and it is rock your chest hammer, and it was awesome. Shot him at freaking 15 yards coming across the creek at me, it was awesome. But uh beside from that, uh as is I mean, when they shut up, a lot sometimes that means they're moving. Sometimes they're going another way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean they can be going the wrong direction, but um you know yeah, quiet turkeys normally moving. So whether it's two years away from you.
SPEAKER_02:Or thinking about moving, you know, and sometimes that is the time to call. But that's when I'll fly down and I'll I'll scratch a little bit first, let him know. I want him to know where I'm at. I don't want him to, and I and sometimes I haven't. I can think of an instance with Brett a couple years ago. We were out hunting the edge of a field, and there was these turkeys in a in a creek on the far side of it. I don't know if they have flown down or not. I know they were at least getting ready to. They ain't done a ton in a while. I haven't hurt them on the ground or in the tree, but I did do a fly down and left it open on the end. It was just like a and then and then no coming down, no leaves, nothing like that. Hoping to emulate, if that's a word, emulate a ham flying into the open. Right. I don't know. They came in there. Yeah. It something worked, it might not have been that. But wanted to, you know, see if I could insinuate that I'm going away from the woods. I don't know if it worked, but like I said, recognition one. We both shot one, didn't we? Yep. Um which is always good because I mean some fog is bad, some fog is good. You know, what sucks for you sucks for the turkey if they can't they need it they need to use their ears if they can't see, or they need to walk closer if they can't see. So just you know, trying to trying to lure them into the an area where they're gonna have to be vocal or they're gonna have to walk closer and they were both. They gobbled on the way in and walked right down it. You know, right to where it seemed like one had flown down. We did some calling though after we did the fly down on that one. But um yeah. You got anything else we'll wrap her? Oh you got anything else we wrapper up? That's about all I got.
SPEAKER_01:Just excited about.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, I'm thrilled. So I I mean I'm glad to finally see it. I'm a very critiquey guy, and I I critique Jason Velchan, you know, I'm nitpicky. Um I like things to be right and perfect, and uh and I'm even more critical of myself, probably more than anything else in the world. And I'm not saying like we designed a great vest. I think everything about it is is I I if I could change something about it, I would have done it. We had long enough to do that. There was no rushing this. We we waited, we actually added on like two seasons to it because we didn't want to rush it. We were just gonna do one, it was supposed to come out last year. And I said if it ain't, there's still things I'd I'd rather change.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Um but um anyway. I think y'all, I think y'all gonna like it. Y'all check it out. Hopefully it's still in stock. If not, the uh the situation there, uh I should have hit on to this at the beginning. The there's there is a limited stock. We got some in now.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:We got like I don't know, thousands of them on the way. I don't know when they're gonna be here. So I didn't want to wait any longer. Folks are starting to go through their turkey vest. And this isn't like a it's funny because I'm sure it would be smart for me to release it so folks could buy it, but my turkey hunter brain is so they can fiddle with their turkey vest, because that's what January is for to me. Right. Is messing with your turkey vest.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And reading Tom Kelly books and stuff, you know, that's when I do that is January, and that's when my brain really starts. I'm more fired up in January than I am March 14th, I promise you. Mm-hmm. Because the the first little, like I said earlier, the first bird you start here and stuff. It won't be long to see some robins on the ground. And I'm I'm telling you, I'm gonna be and uh I'm gonna be a good guy to hang out with for a little while. Right. And because I know, you know, the the good days are ahead and they're they're not too far away. But um yeah, so folks get it, fool with it, get used to it, break it on in. And this stuff is I mean, it's it's got it's it's made of durable material. I was skeptic at first about it being loud. Right, but it's not and it ain't so that's a weird thing. At first I thought it was gonna be, but um, but I'm telling you, after thick and durable as it is, it is really quiet. And light. But um, but it kind of mu it's uh it molds a little more than than a light fabric or whatever. It ain't gonna snag or tear, I promise you that. But it's also gonna kind of form, fit you, and and like if you'll look at what y'all can't see on the video, but if you look at my other tricky physical, all these all these panels and stuff are are curved to my you know, the shape of my body and stuff, which is you know, kind of like a glove. You want it like an old leather glove, you want it to fit good. But um anyway, y'all check it out. We'll um we've got some some good episodes coming on the way. Uh I hope y'all subscribe and and and like and share and stuff like that. And and we're gonna kind of incorporate a few more things into the socials as far as podcast goes, as far as um probably a couple giveaways and stuff like that. Are on the horizon. We're gonna we're gonna log off of here and uh might see let Brett try his hand on this editing stuff, because that would be a big a big plus if we can get a a couple of different balls rolling in the same direction at the same time as we gear up for Nashville coming up in February. That's gonna be a good one. I ain't even I ain't even I ain't even getting on that. Um maybe next time. But anyway, guys, appreciate y'all listening to Spring Legion Podcast. We'll see you next time.
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