The Spring Legion Podcast
Welcome to a year-round discussion on the wild turkey and those who hunt them. Hosted by Hunter Farrior, founder of Spring Legion and author of Ballad of a Turkey Hunter, the weekly podcast is geared for all outdoor communities and dives deeper than the usual tactics and calling tips. Holding true to the brand, topics are built upon respecting the heritage and challenges of hunting, with a never-ending appreciation for all that the spring season provides. Enjoy insight from special guests like Dave Owens of Pinhoti Project, Cuz Strickland of Mossy Oak, our friends at NWTF and Muscadine Bloodline, and so many more widely known for their impact in the turkey hunting community, as well as the deer, duck, and waterfowl realm, who exhibit the obsession of which only a real turkey hunter may truly understand. Thanks for listening.
The Spring Legion Podcast
Turning Mistakes into Woodsmanship: Top Lessons from Turkey Season
Ever have a gobbler prove your first instinct right while you sit in the wrong spot? That’s the thread running through this one: trust the high seat when the terrain says high, let the bird lay the first card, and don’t let a cutoff clock rush you into a bad setup. We start with the good stuff—our Greenleaf drop and Black Friday bundles—then get straight into fieldcraft that held up under pressure: roost strategy, reading hills, and taking the shot before the window slides shut.
We break down two hunts that tested our patience. A hen crossed a gravel road and pulled us low; the tom flew to the bottom, climbed to the crown, and marched toward the road—exactly where we would have been if we hadn’t second-guessed ourselves. Then a giant bird roosted shockingly low along a pasture ditch and drummed in the dark. By daylight he’d shifted to the top, again proving that discipline in what you already know beats improvising around a weird detail. The pattern is clear: stop trying to make turkeys do things; start listening when the woods tell you what the bird wants.
From there we talk shot selection and calling. On pressured ground, you’re lucky to get one clean look. Know your range, build lanes, and pull the trigger when his head hits the window. With calling, timing and direction do the work. A soft note thrown into the gap you want him to check can force the exact two steps you need. Drumming became our compass, letting us course silent birds over rolls and into view without blowing the setup. And yes, we’re upgrading how we capture it—barrel cams and smarter filming so you can see how those choices unfold.
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All right. Back for round two of the the first run of Pod Guys here in the uh twenty twenty five, twenty twenty-six turkey season. I guess we can call it that. Is um I mean is is is the tail end of November. We ain't gonna get around that, but we're at least gonna be doing these throughout the next turkey season that's on deck, which is now closer to us than 2025 is. That's what I'm trying to say. But yeah, so good news is Chase turned the camera off. So we do have battery. Yeah. If you did listen to our first episode of the season, um, which we recorded literally 10 minutes ago, we thought a camera died and uh kind of wrapped it up pretty quick. But um, as we're talking about being tech savvy and not tech savvy, Chase uh Chase gave me the thumbs down that a camera had died, and I'm like, well, we we definitely did something wrong, so that shouldn't happen.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And um, so that was bad news. But the good news is it it didn't die. Chase uh Chase thought he re-recorded press record twice, he only pressed it once. So now we get two episodes. Now we got uh two episodes for the week. So that's uh good news, I'd say. Um but so um we're not uh we we've already talked about stories and stuff like that, and and and if you did listen to the other episodes, you know kind of the the rundown on who we are and stuff and um all the good stuff going on. If you didn't, I'm on a farrier and this is Chase Farrier, we're brothers, and uh we're gonna talk about that again. And that's what we do. And as far as the the seasonal aspect of it, is uh it's Black Friday week. We uh it's it's release week for our our apparel and gear and stuff for the 2026 season, something that is much anticipated around here that we've been working tirelessly on since uh since we put the shotguns up, honestly. And we we got a lot of cool stuff um between the jackets and the button-downs and the pants and the gators and the masks and gloves and hats and everything like that. And this year we got it in Greenleaf. So if you did if you got it in the original bottom line, we got nothing but good feedback last year. And I was pleasantly surprised because um some of the stuff, especially like the gators and stuff like that, we're building from literal scratch, and we're able to test it a good bit, and then the the pants, it's the pants are pants, and you know what the fabric is, and you you know it they're a little easier to to run through and stuff like that, but then you have the the 2.0s, that's why the gator 2.0 or the gator twos and the pant twos and stuff. When you get to the twos, that means we've done figured out right the the nitpicky stuff that we wish we would have changed, and um however many thousands we sold last year, uh three things might have happened to three of them, you know what I'm saying? Um between like something something coming unraveled or or a strap breaking or a zipper malfunction or something. So I I I really I figured it'd be more just you know by the analytics of like, you know, however many it is, I would think a little bit more, would have something wrong with them. But that's all we that's all we learned about and we asked several folks and nothing but good reviews on them. So um if you did get them in the original bottom land, one of them green leaf, that is the uh the main request we had. And we've solved that um as of about two days ago. And if um can't see if you're not watching on some type of YouTube or TikTok or Instagram or something, we got a lot of it. And we got we're gonna pump it out and and for the Black Friday week, it's gonna be a bundle special you can get. I think I think all week long you'll be able to get the the uh the bundle kind of little limited time deal we're gonna do. Because it is uh kind of hard to release something and also like allocate how much you gotta get off your shelf because we just filled the shelves up, so we're not really running on just individual discounts unless a few casual things, but y'all check that out, sprinklers.com. And if this if you listen to this a little more closer to turkey season, hopefully we still have it. Um there is no telling after N WTF.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We we could have it, we could have some, we could have none. We've we've seen we've seen it all.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But um last um last episode, like I'm I'm talking like we did this a month ago, but it was just recently prior, we talked about some of the stories and the recap, a little bit of some of our favorite um memories and realizations that we had during the 2025 trade season. And and we're gonna build on that as we go. Uh the the rundown, I guess so to speak, is well, there really ain't a rundown. We we have no real hard concrete plans for the podcast aside from talking what we feel like talking about, and most times that's driven by y'all in the comments and stuff like that. Y'all tell us what you want to hear about and um potentially who you'd like to have on and hear from and stuff. But um, but we're gonna you know add some stories that are untold to the uh the episodes, which will follow these, and then we're gonna dive into some stuff that uh we learned and didn't learn and stuff we wondered and stuff we think we figured out and we didn't figure out and stuff we got proven wrong on. So I figured since we hit a little bit more on the story side of the last one, we could um we could hit into some of the the the tactic side and the stuff that uh stuff we learned big time from this past season because I don't care who you are or how long you've been turkey hunting, if you're not going out into the woods to learn, you're coming home. That's the only way you can really come home empty-handed if you're if you're not coming back with something learned, something gained. Um I I want to say as Will Dixon told me this, would always come out of the woods with something, whether it be something you find, something you figure out, something like that. Might not be, I'll give him credit anyway. Um something he he would probably say. He would say that for sure. Uh some wisdoms. But um some yeah, somebody told me that, and I I've kind of held that in my pocket since I heard it, because that's that's that's a good point of view to have. And and I I thoroughly believe that uh the the good turkey hunters are always wondering and and testing and theorying, I guess you'd say. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Um and willing to kind of risk something to to learn something, you know what I'm saying? So I mean that's just how I've always looked at it, at least. You know, if I'm gonna risk something, I want to figure out what happens if I do this or that, you know, and and if it works or doesn't work. I mean I I'll uh every uh page you open uh or book you open, it may not have another page on it, you know. Uh you know, may not have any words on the page kind of at the end of the story. Uh I didn't those were really bad. No idea what you're doing.
SPEAKER_01:All right.
SPEAKER_02:I tried hard. I tried tried to save it. Oh, what I'm trying to say is like if I'm gonna risk it, I know that there may not be a reward at the end. You know. I may not win.
SPEAKER_01:You I mean, yeah, but you ain't gonna win a lot of them. And that's something that you gotta get in your head, is that even the good turkey hunters just turkey hunt a lot.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And the the the rate of reward, I guess you'd say, if killing one is the only reward there was, right. If you're tallying things up, the ones who have the most tallies, I promise you, hunt more than those who don't.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:It's not a I mean, there's some exceptions that are just bona fide, good at it. Right. And and I think, and I'm on record saying this, I think half of it's DNA. I think it is in your blood. I think when I I can look at a kid and say that kid's gonna be a dang good dirty on regards. I just know. I I can look at the dirt on his side of his face and just tell like he he's got that grit to him, you know. And some folks, I I've surprised myself, and I've learned this something I've learned over the years, that some folks that I would in Mississippi, if you run them at a gas station or something like that, they just ain't they ain't got the right get up on them. La crosse boots and stuff. You know, they're not like, uh, you don't wear those, you know, turkey hunting. But and I I've adjusted that, you know. I I I'm telling you, I I've never in my life thought I would ever kill a turkey not wearing my pants. Your pants are supposed to be tucked into something. Whether it be the gators or some tall knee boots or something like that, like you don't have floppy pants, turkey hunting. That's just uh in my mind, I was like, you you can't. That's just sacrilegious, you don't do that. Right. And um, and I've met a lot of folks, especially up northeast and stuff, that they're like, well, we all do this. Yeah. And and you know, and we all kill turkeys. And I'm like, okay, whatever, you know. Yeah, you're right, I'm wrong. I feel I feel I've learned. Um but it's fun, you know, as as the as the brand grows and opportunities grow and stuff, and that being able to like kind of like figure, you know, find out the things I am wrong on. Yeah. And um, but on the turkey side of things, I would say one of the more concrete truths that um that I was able to uh re-establish in my book of theories and stuff like that was that um you gotta be disciplined in what you do know. And I'm always trying to figure out the stuff that I don't know and gain. That's how you gain knowledge and and stuff like that. But that don't mean you can you can be relaxed on the stuff you do know. If it's if you think a turkey's gone should do this, there's something in your past that makes you think that. If it's a gut feeling, that they're not out of thin air most times. Um there is intuition that's involved in woodsmanship, I believe. I I think it is a a way to to to it is uh actively moving kind of like a like uh a dance or something like it. You go with the flow on a lot of stuff, and like you wouldn't do this if this didn't happen, and if this does happen, then you're definitely gonna do this, but not this. And you know, there's no there's no playbook to it. You no turkeys work the same and what worked last time and that turkey's dead. So yeah, it you know, it's a new turkey, a new ball game, new he's got that turkey's got wisdom that you didn't know he existed, and you know, depends on how educated that bird is compared to the other bird, and uh literally the bear metric pressure and the the hen next to him if it's on his left or his right. I mean it comes down to that half the time, and there ain't no way of knowing, and that's what makes it fun. But I can think of a a couple scenarios of this past season that I was kicking myself because I I knew what I should have done and they're actually kind of go in line with uh one another and I didn't do it and it didn't work out like it, you know. And and both times I was like, my you sh you knew to do that. Right. And w w what made you not? Um and I want to say both, yeah. Two of the main ones I can think of involve a turkey on the roost. I'm not great at hunting turkeys on the roost. I'm not either. I've j it's just I don't know why. I mean, I'm just haven't had um I'd say I haven't had a ton of opportunity. I I can think of a few. I mean I remember I remember maybe saying on here once or twice a year or two ago that I'm like I hadn't done that in a long time. I hadn't had a turkey. I hadn't set up on a turkey on the roost in a long time.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, but you know, yeah, I mean that's the one I did kill in Mississippi this year that I I set up on him on the limb as my butt was hitting the ground, he flew down, you know, but it was like still ape-roost hunting. That was the first time I'd I'd, you know, sat down on one that was still on the limb.
SPEAKER_01:You know. And I I think a lot of that is like, I mean, I don't roost a lot of them, so I don't know where they're at. There is no game plan going into it at 3 a.m. and stuff. Um I kind of get to where I I I I try to find a spot to listen from and hear from that keeps me at the most advantageous scenario is is as many cars in my pocket as I got. I want options, right? You know, and I'm I've hunted with folks who are not wrong or right or wrong, or you know, it's not one of those things, but they would prefer to have a a better chance at two or three things happening, and I would much rather have a decent chance on all the things that could possibly happen. Does that make sense? Like without eliminating, I mean I don't trust turkeys gonna do nothing until he does it. Right. You know, so even if all reasons and all things we've said on this and everything I've ever learned says he should do this, I still don't trust in 100%. I don't trust that if I did Riz Turkey, I don't trust it's in that tree when I get there. I'm bad.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I I really do not trust turkeys at all. I can watch him flow up, watch him go to sleep, leave, and then I come back, I'm still I don't I don't I don't know if he's there or not, you know, and he should be, and sometimes he is, but there's a time or two where he ain't. Something has happened and he ain't in that tree no more. Right. Actually, this is one of them I'm about to tell. Um didn't even think about that for a second. But so the the what what I'm getting at here, the the the hunch that made me think about this was I always like to get, if I do know where a turkey is, both of these I do have roosted, by the way. After I just said I don't roost a lot of turkey. Right. Both of these roost maybe I suck at roosting turkeys. Maybe. Um but uh both these states I I don't know if they were both 1 p.m. cutoffs or not. I know one was, so I couldn't hunt it at all or I had him that afternoon. So it's hard for me to not hunt a turkey and only roost him.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because where I would really get an idea from, I'm not even going to attempt, you know, without a gun, because the only thing that can happen is we mess it up. If I can get a good idea where he's gonna be, that's better than nothing. Um but both of them were on a uh a hill. I'm on the hill on the on the on the back side of a hill, we'll say that, and I can hear on the other side of the hill, and I'm listening to this bird. I don't necessarily hear him fly up, I know when he's he's in a tree now, you know. And I get out of there, and everything in me, from knowing how turkeys work, and I want to get above him. I want to get where he has to fly down and walk up. In both situations, something or another that I if I would not have stayed, however long I stayed, or if I wouldn't have reconsidered, or or one of them I saw a a hen walk across the gravel road that I'm parked on. And she walks into a bottom, and I hear a turkey fly up in the bottom, and he's kind of halfway on he's kinda on the mid the half midpoint of that hill, overlooking the bottom. And if I wouldn't have seen her, I would have gotten up on the hill where I think a turkey hunter should get if he wants to kill one just in a bottom. Right. I want to get above him, he has to walk up, and I think they just naturally do that. I think they like to get high and and display and stuff like that. And what regardless of reason, I think they like to go up. They don't always. But at that that one hand I thought about all night. I'm like, well, I gotta get low because she's gonna be low. And get between them. Not necessarily, I just think he's gonna get in the bottom and stay, and I'm not gonna call call him up because she came from a bottom and stayed in the bottom. I see. She didn't come from up top, and I'm like, might I have to see that? Right. You know, and it's really I have no idea what she did for 23 hours of that day. I just know what she did for that 10 minutes, and it made me, you know, reconsider everything. So I get a little bit lower and I am on him. I mean, when he wakes up, and I knew pretty good where he was at. And if I say roosted, I mean I know the tree, the side of the tree he's on.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And I will listen left and right, trying to think of every scenario, overthink half of them. But and I was pretty pretty correct in it. And I and where I was sitting was close, and I'm I guess I'm just banking on him flying down and me, shooting him right there. I'm trying to talk him into flying to me and not her. Um But he flew down into the bottom, which I could not see. I wasn't getting in the bottom. I wasn't gonna be just stupid about it, you know, and sit where he could see me from the limb. I still put enough in between me and him where he had to wander what's over there and fly down and walk. But um but they flew down the bottom and by God they went up at the top. Yeah. And I'm like I could have done that. I c I could that's where I I would would have sat. That's where I should have sat. If I had if I didn't do all this thinking, that's that's where uh I would tell somebody if you ask me, that's where I tell you to sit. Right. Well anyway, they they get up there and and I I try to get up on, you know, as best I could get around the hill to get on top of it. And mind you, I'm not far from the truck. And it's public land, but it this is a little too close for comfort for me being, you know, close to the truck where I had to park was the main w worry of where I could let folks know I'm here, but not let the turkey see me. I had to get in there like really, really early just to be sure. Right. Um because even though I couldn't see him fly up, I was still always nervous that they see me coming in. And um I guess he didn't, but it was kinda I mean, man, it's it's really like the other the other situation. I I'm surely a turkey won't get that walk towards the road. Right. And get on top of the hill, even though it's the hill and that's where I think that he should he would want to get. I don't ain't no way he's going towards the road, you know. And this ain't a black type road, it's like a one-lane gravel road, you know, kind of already going through a gate or two to get to it. It's not like a high traffic area, but still I'm like, no, he ain't gonna get me by doing that. Like, I mean, I would have felt pretty dumb sitting closer to the road than the other side of the road and he him work the opposite direction, obviously. But nope, he went up right, right, walked beeline towards my truck in that road. And he didn't like cross the road or nothing, but they were up there close to it, and I should have been there. Then I had to try to call him back down, it didn't work. But uh well, I say that. As I kind of come up, the hen, the hen makes some noise, and I call at her a little bit, and she starts coming down. I see her, she gets into a little path I walk down, and it's coming straight down, and I'm in a vine. Of course, I find them pretty often. And so I just tuck back, sit there, and she walks five feet in front of me down this road. I'm like, oh yeah. That'll be good, except I'm facing this way, and I'm not ready for where the gobbler should come out. And I'm sitting here and I have my gun pointing in the right direction, where kind of where she came. I'm talking like holding on the ground, like it's gonna be a throw-up. He's gonna see you, but you just hope he's put for twice you know, enough to shoot him. Um and um that's I mean, mind you, this this public ground later in the season in the state, kind of close to the road, so connect them dice. It's ain't a stupid turkey, obviously, or he'd be dead by now. Um and that and that hen, she don't she don't know something's up, but that turkey ain't in the road where it just called from, and she can see the rest of the little lane I walked in on and stuff, and that is probably already a little skeptical that why didn't I hear this one earlier? Because I haven't moved by this point. Now she don't see it, so she kind of like steps off into the the woods on the other side, and I can hear him drumming, and I'm kinda I'm ready for it, and I'm you know, kind of like I said, I'm gonna my my plan is to when he gets in that road, hopefully he don't think nothing just follows the hen and I can just shoot him. Right. Um, because where she walked out is in range.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But um he walked out exactly right, same step, and I I couldn't really, it's thick. He he walks out and and when I say his his foot didn't hit the dirt, he he was looking at that road, he saw there wasn't other than the road. That hen got a little skeptical and curious and stuff, but I mean his toenails might have touched the dirt, but he was in half strut and his foot hit the dirt like this, and gone. I mean he he looked, and I know he didn't see me, because I'm I'm very hidden from where his perspective is. Right. Um nope, he he looked down that road and there wasn't that hen or another hen, and he uh uh.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, get back in the thick.
SPEAKER_01:He didn't gobble the rest of the day. So if I'd have been where I should have been, same situation, and I'm telling you, Chase, the biggest turkey I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Is the subject of this next one. I've never in my life seen a turkey this big. And I didn't have a camera or nothing. I was going to just scout out a little bit of this land. I'm coming through this state to get to another one. And uh I I there's one of them, you go to where you think turkey should be, have no idea. Right. And I'll be dang. There's one in it, one hand, one turkey, one long beard. And I have my binoculars and stuff. There's a wood line in between it, and I was able to get there without jacking much up, and he got he got pretty close, and I'm like, man, that I never in my life, which I don't like I don't have like trophies, turkeys or anything like that. Like it's cool to I've killed one with six beers, that's cool. Right. But I don't, you know, get all into that. They're you know, really long spurs are cool. I appreciate them, but I don't I ain't partial to three-quarter inch spurs and nine-inch beers either. Um but it but it but this one was like intimidating almost how big it was. Right. I mean it looked like my forearm. Yeah, so he he's gobbling, and I don't I I can hunt there in the morning, but I have to leave at like literally eight o'clock. Yeah. Like go to a wedding or something. Not like I got it, something important would be. But I but I was already in a rush getting there, almost didn't stop, but I gotta stop halfway because it was a however long of a ride. So I'm in the bottom part of it. There's a hill going up. It's Turk's walking down the the the open is a this big bluff looking area overlooks a a pasture. Or he's gonna fly down that pasture, obviously. You'd think, but I think they're gonna work up the hill. I just I always think they do. I never I mean I've seen them fly down into pastures and stuff like that. Thinking of where the other turkeys were that I heard and stuff, knowing we're on this side. The only thing I know of is a couple jakes ran up that hill, and but it my gut said, Hey, you're gonna be up there. Right. But um, I mean I had my gun with me. And um, I I called a couple times, he answered, and he got distrutting and stuff, and I'm like, my God, this is a big turkey. And um his beard looked like my forearm, his gobble was loud, he looked heavy, I mean just uh I don't I'm not gonna say old, but like a a man child of a bird. And um he just looked mean. And he goes, he walks out of sight, kind of goes up there, and I don't know where he's at at this point. It's late and he's still kind of on the ground. And and I'm I'm and I'm convinced I'm staying till very, very dark, regardless of I hear him fly up, see him fly up, anything like that. Because my only shot is to kill him fairly quickly in the morning. Right. If I'm gonna kill him at all. And um that's what also kind of threw me a loop. And this is what really threw me a loop. He um so I'm walking out, I don't I don't hear wings, I don't hear nothing. I just know he's obviously he's in a tree right now, it's freaking nine o'clock or something. I don't, you know, it's late. My truck is not gonna move where it's parked. It's gonna be kind of close to it. So I'm not even cranking it, I'm not gonna risk losing the spot. I know a turkey's in the vicinity. If he hadn't done nothing the night before, I'd have sat on top of that hill. On that, you know, on the top to listen and let them work up. Right. But as I'm walking out, I I I don't know where he's at, I know he's in the area. When I say I'm walking down, it's very pitch black. I think I got my flashlight on on my phone, kind of just pointed at my feet as I'm walking them. I'm confident enough that he ain't going nowhere. Right. And I'm walking out, and that joker is on a low-hanging branch. I mean, as high as that shelf right there. Eight feet, nine feet, and when I walk under him, he drums at me like a threat. No.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:And it I mean it scared me. I'm like, I mean, I can just see like movement in the you know silhouette, and he is ten feet tops off the ground, just like in half struck looking, maybe, and he just boom like like he was telling me to get away. Yeah, like he was like threatening me or something, like I was like some animal underneath him or something. Right. And I mean it shook me. I'm like, Jesus, what was that?
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:But so now my heart's racing, and I'm like, I'm I didn't stop. That's my one rule is if if something changes like real fast, if you walk up and you just see a turkey or whatever, I just keep walking until I get behind something, you know. When you stop and go, oh, what is you know, that's wild. That's when you start booking stuff up. Yeah, like I didn't hear that, but I heard it. Oh, yeah. And I don't know if it was just coincidental timing, any of that stuff, but yeah, it uh it kind of rattled me there. Really rattled my plans because I was really bank on him being up there. Right. Because that's where he should have been. That's where a turkey should reach that, is right up there. If he's gonna fly down there, one thing, or he's gonna go to the top. If I was a turkey, I'd reach right in the middle. But he was roosted right on the road. It's not necessarily a road, it's just two think two pastures with a a ditch with trees in it. I was thinking you're walking out down a road. This is uh this is a hill, two pastures on either side, and there's a one little strip of not uh I ain't gonna say horrible, I mean just trees with a ditch. Yeah. That I had to kind of weed through, you know, to get there. I'm walking in the I'm just on that pasture edge now. I'm walking and you know, standing straight up and nothing not trying to be too slick necessarily. And he's right at the T. And and that's a point of option for them. I think turkeys like to get points of options where they can see this field, see this field. And there's hens on the on the left side of the other field. And um, but he I would think a turkey would be up there. And then so the whole night I I I go back up. I mean, I'm second open my door, turn my lights off. I think he's probably 75 to 80 yards from my truck right now. So it was over a hill, right? But from a tree, it ain't over that hill no more. So I mean he's probably watching me. You know, so as soon as I get in the truck, turn the lights off, whatever, like the door lights or whatever. Right. I'm I sleep in my camouflage, I think I sleep in my vest. So I don't have to put it on in the morning. You know, I'm I mean, kept the shotgun loaded in my lap. Yeah. Like, don't have to do nothing but wake up and I think I have my boots on. Yeah. Like literally, I'm just gonna ease out, shut the door at 3.30, slip down there. Do I sit where I can just see him and you know not try to call to him or nothing like that? I didn't know. Yeah, that's what kept me up all night. Well, I get down there and I get close and I get there early. I mean, I hardly even slept, so might as well dress it by a tree instead of my truck, so I do that. And I think through everything, and I ain't heard no, you know, ain't bump nothing out of there. I mean, I was shaking walking under that same branch again. Yeah, you know, coming in. Of course I can't see nothing, my head's down, no flashlight, nothing. And I sit fairly close, you know. To where you heard the draw. Yeah, now that's where he's at. You know. Just making sure. I'm thinking and I'm thinking and and from then on I'm scanning everything I can to see see where uh a spot I could sit, a spot he'd fly down to. And then banking on the other turkeys. Calling him one way or another. Not necessarily. And I'm like, don't get me wrong, I like reversing nature, flipping the script, you know, doing all the stuff, having one come into your car and stuff. There is a I I think, and I and I I'm not torn on it, but I think there's a level of wisdom ship to be able to get close to a turkey that just happens to fly down where a turkey should fly down, and you're able to kill him. You know, there's still some some merit to that, I think. Right. Um preference-wise, I would much rather call one in than than have to just like hunt it twice on the second time be where you're gonna you know where a turkey would be, because that's what you did the day before. It's still hard to do. I mean, it's easy to fly away, you know. I mean, uh nothing for sure. Yeah. But um, so but given the time crunch, all this stuff, I'm like, I'm gonna get pretty close and see if I just kind of pick a side of the the uh the little strip of woods there. Nothing else I can call him into those woods. I can shoot through the hole from one side to the other of them woods. It ain't 20 yards wide tops. So I'm in there and I can kind of see both sides. If he gets either field edge, I'm good, yada yada. And I'm I'm probably I walk probably 50 yards on the other side of him. So he's got whatever he does, I can kind of rotate and and at least adjust three trees over if I got to. That Joker got on top of that daggum hill. As soon as daybreak happens, and he ain't no turkey.
SPEAKER_02:So don't know what that was now at this point.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'm I've heard enough drumming that was a turkey drumming.
SPEAKER_02:Huh.
SPEAKER_01:I'm I could see a body of something in the tree.
SPEAKER_02:That's what I mean I mean I mean he moved at night.
SPEAKER_01:Only thing I can think.
SPEAKER_02:My first thought would've been like a a raccoon growling or something at you.
SPEAKER_01:It was a turkey drumming, I'm telling you. I there's a point one percent chance I'm wrong. But that was a turkey drumming. I'm I'm my ears are I mean, two feet from it. I mean r I mean, I'm it's right here and I'm right here and it when it drummed. And I look up and I can see the, you know, like the limbs moving kind of and there's I mean, obviously an animal in the tree. Sound like a turkey drum and the turkey just walked right there.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean I'm not saying you're wrong. It would be weird for a turkey. I agree. You know. That's the only thing I would think I would wonder if you heard something else that just growled. Could have been deep, you know, sounded just like a turkey. You know. I don't I don't know many things that do make that noise, but I don't like something two feet from one under his tree.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't I don't have film of it or audio of it to like show you, but I'm telling you. I'm I am morally convinced and certain that this was a turkey of some form. Drumming.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And could be wrong, but either way. And it may have been a different turkey. I mean, there wasn't a turkey there that morning. I mean, I could see the tree.
SPEAKER_02:Well, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Once it got daylight, I mean he gobbled before I was able to see the tree. I mean, obviously that's the first thing that crossed my mind was like, oh, that's a different turkey.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, an hour or two goes by, I'm like, that's him. You know, because he he gobbled hard. Right. And he worked to the top of the hill. So I mean, if I would have done what I should have done and and and and not overthought it, that'd be two dead turkeys right there. But live and learn apparently, because this was within three days of each other also. Right. I did it again.
SPEAKER_02:You trying to give me the rundown on that story when you were kind of going through all that, and I was like, I all I'm gonna say is things are gonna look up eventually. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean it was like a whole week and ruffled. I hate cutoff states. And that's what it's cut-off states get in your head real bad. It messes with me, and I'm so cerebral about turkey hunting. It's just and I rush things that don't need to be rushed, and and that's both scenarios I was trying to rush it. I was trying to get where the turkey would only have a minute on the ground to eliminate as much chance for error as possible. But the turkey hunter in me knows where I should have sat in both situations. I should have sat there and just been patient. An extra 40 minutes tops. Let him fly down, work up. That's what the hen's gonna do, and that's exactly what happened. So right.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mean, that's I mean, that's I was kind of gonna say the same thing as my what did you learn? And it's more stop overthinking it. Yeah, okay. You know, I mean I I I've gotten bad about that again, and I did that in high school. Really? I got real bad on overthinking stuff and just getting in my head, and and I uh I realized I was not closing as many deals, I guess you could call it. And you know, and then once I started just acting from within, or if I am overthinking it, don't I I guess don't think of myself asking the question, pretend somebody walked up to me in a trade show and said, Hey, this turkey's doing this, what would you do? And you know, and I've I can I can imagine a fake story a lot faster, you know, okay, well he was doing this, he did that, he did this, okay. This is what I would do. If you knew less, you would have made a better decision. Right, and and I've started I had to like, you know, towards the end of the season, I kind of had to get back in that groove and remind myself, like, hey, you know, you've been hunting water too long because both of those situations, no one would have told me that story, I'd have told them exactly where I should have.
SPEAKER_01:Do this, do that, yeah. You know, listen to your own advice.
SPEAKER_02:Right, and that's what I struggle with is listening to my own advice. Um and you know, every once in a while I have to remember it and sit down and put myself as the question asker versus the question answerer, I guess you'd say. Right. And um even to myself in my own head, you know what I'm saying? And um that that's helped me a lot.
SPEAKER_01:Um Yeah, I mean and there's there's nothing you're gonna make a turkey do. No matter how fast you want it to happen, no matter how you want him to approach you. Right. No matter how pretty these woods are versus how unpretty these woods are. Turkey's gonna do what he's gonna do, and you ain't changing that. And and the times that I walk out of the woods either scratching my head or cussing myself, most times I was trying to make a turkey do something instead of letting the turkey tell me what he's gonna do. Right. And and or a past turkey telling me what a turkey should do and and just take your chances.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm. I I can think of one that left me scratching my head real bad. And I had hunted the same area several times and um kind of knew off the bat to get to that backside of where I was, you know, I originally would park my truck and all that stuff. And I think there was a truck at the front of the head the head of the road or something, and it kind of messed me up. And it's I mean, it's like a three-mile-long road. I you know I'll pass the guy. I went to the I was like, I'm gonna drive to the back instead, you know, drive further back and give him enough playroom and me enough playroom. Yeah, there's plenty. And um, you know, it kind of messed with me, well, you know, versus my parking spot I had in my mind, you know, and then I get out of the truck and I hear one right off the a lot closer to my tr where I was gonna park versus the very back of the place. And it messed me, and I never heard one over there, you know, fifty times I've hunted that same area um and slipped in in the bottom, got in the creek, walked the creek in. He's roosted on the halfway up the ridge. I've got ridges on both sides of me. And I get about halfway to him and I realize I done screwed up. Yeah. I'm in the dang bottom. Yeah and didn't even think about it, you know, and now it's breaking day. It's starting to miss rain that day. I do remember that. And um and but he flew down on across the ditch creek thing on my side and was probably within 50 yards of me. But he was silent. He did the what they did all early season last year was gobble only on the roof. But he he actually lit it up a few times um or for a hot minute there on the roost versus what most of them were doing. Um Turkey disappeared. Yeah. I mean, he hit the ground. I heard something or saw something, I don't remember if I heard one gobble on the ground or saw a glimpse of him or something, but like never got anything else from him. Yeah. And he may have seen something, he may I you know I don't know. But I did a bad setup, you know, it was kind of like I'm running out of, I rushed myself, I'm running out of daylight. And that's prime example why I don't like walking in on a turkey while I still on the limb. Yeah, oh yeah. You know, because I I make a screw up decision and then I'm stuck in a spot. And I and I don't know where he's at.
SPEAKER_01:That's when I was talking about options earlier. That's probably why I don't like and I'm not good at hunting turkeys on the roof, because I'm trying to make them do one thing. Right. And I'm I'm limiting myself to doing one thing. When you stay on top of them like that, or you you stay back on them like that, you're letting them tell you at least something one thing. Let them lay one card down. Right. You know, the direction they fly is a good start. You know, that tells you more than not, you know. If you go down there and bank on them flying, that's how you look like a really good turkey hunter, but you didn't necessarily do nothing to make them do that. Right. If and if they fly the other way, which I've had happen a ton of times, uh, even to a you know, a uh a kind of a derivative of that area is like just being on this side of them. I think I'm I'm confident enough to be on this side of them, he flies the other way. Yeah, I have no idea why.
SPEAKER_02:I I usually walk up there and find out why after, but and and that's kind of what I even tried doing, and I'm like, he didn't have anywhere else to land except where he did, you know, because it's so thick in there. Now you know. But I mean I picked the right spot by the end of it, but I picked the wrong spot all at the same time, you know, and I'm like, I still don't know what I mean if where did he walk to? You know, because it's thick it all around it's you know, 40 yard square, you know, 40 by 40 square. And I'm sitting on the edge of it, you know, like I did have a little roll that I couldn't see over, I didn't realize till it got daylight, and he he was right on the other side of that roll. Um but it was a fun hunt, I mean, by the end of it, but I still don't know where that turkey ended up going. He never said another word, he never I never heard his, you know, it just started misting rain, so I couldn't hear his footsteps, you know. He may have looped behind me for all I know, you know, or past me and got by me or something.
SPEAKER_01:That's the that's the stuff I like wondering about for nine months. Some of them I'm I'm still wondering, did they ever fly down? Because I left before they did, you know. Um because they just they just stayed up there. I called one too many times or something happened, or you know, or I didn't call at all and they still didn't fly down. Like what what did they see? You know, what what's happening?
SPEAKER_02:And it was probably a deer at 3 a.m. that they saw. Could have been. I mean, I have no idea. I ain't chose a turkey to fly down. Right. Yeah. They ain't got to.
SPEAKER_01:They don't have to. But um, but not uh another thing I did learn um was um you only you're lucky to get one opportunity at a shot, you know. So so knowing your limits, but also knowing your ability is is just as important, I think. Right. You know, knowing your confidence level in a shot, and I think that's all individual stuff. That's not I ain't gonna tell you how far how close the turkey's gotta be to the pull trigger or anything. Obviously, closer's better to me. Sometimes I'll try to shoot them before they get too close. So if my only option is them coming like that one in West Virginia, I was gonna be really worried if we said this tree, my we didn't go towards them, we tried to get it back. So I would have 20 yards of of shot and not four. Right. Because that's a lot harder to hit than it is at 20. But um A, it's a lot harder to hit. Uh B, it's a lot harder to move a foot of your barrel. One inch of your barrel is only one inch of your barrel at four feet. Four feet. Yeah. At twenty, one inch of your barrel is about fifteen feet, you know, just the way trajections work. Um, because I've learned that the hard way. You can't you can't move it nearly as much, you know, on in close quarters. But aside from that, you you got one shot at them if you're lucky. If if everything goes 100% right, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. So you gotta have a little extra something, luck or you know, divine intervention go on there for Turkey to get in the shotgun range. And when he does, and he presents the shot to you, this within your, you know, 35 yards is kind of what I my bubble. Um I I that take it. You know, he ain't gonna give you a a a better one a lot of times. And that happened to me one time and I kicked myself. I probably had a whole podcast on it that I I had my opportunity there, and the second he folded strut, I mean he he folded and half strut, stuck a head in the area that I had in my mind, I can probably shoot that. But it was wide open in front of him, right? And I was like, This is this is like March 18th, or I think it was I think it was literally March 16th. So I mean we've been hunting two days. You're a little trigger shy, you know. You're like, I don't want to I haven't I don't think I shot one yet, so I mean I'm kind of like you know I probably could if I'm trying to replay it in my mind. Could I could I hit that? But but when he sticks his head in that window, you gotta you gotta be ready. And I was ready, I was just taking guessing myself, and then I was really cussing myself, like, please give me another chance, please walk back into that opening, you know, that you just walked into can you do that again? Because I was I was a little skittish there. I was a little at the yips because I was kind of I didn't want to shoot, but that hurt for that stung. Yeah, you talked about it for weeks. Yeah, because that was I think right after that was supposed to get decent weather, and that was the first kind of okay weather we'd had. And I want to say maybe the next day was gonna be for some reason or another, I knew folks were about to come in there. I was about to leave and come back, and it was gonna be after a weekend. I'm like, folks are gonna kill him or buttons. You know, he ain't gonna he ain't gonna be there when I get back. Um and he wasn't. I don't think, but I don't know if that even went back. But at the same time, I went back. The same uh the uh he never saw me or nothing. I mean, he he he had no inclination, he was at 25 yards and had no, I mean he was looking hard, gobbling hard. Where in the heck are you? I'm making a sound. But that joker folded his truck, walked away, and he never he didn't go to that opening. He he went back to the even more thick stuff, never got a shot. But um, but yeah, that was a hard bill to swallow. And then um, but but the same thing happened two more times, one of them being in Georgia with my buddy Drew. Um and this one was kind of like a an in-between. Uh really the next one is too, but kind of gave me the shot and I almost just took it, and I'm like, I don't know. There's uh there's other opportunities. Right. And he kind of he he he put it one time, I was like, that's it. I I can do it. Just blow trigger. I I know I can do it, do it. You know, don't be the whole can't see the squirrel syndrome, kind of like, you know, you stop seeing the squirrel when you get nervous about shooting it, but you can, you know, don't don't lie to yourself. You you can you can do what you can do. I ain't saying go off and give it a give it a go and you know, let freedom ring and see if what pellet hits it. These are hitable shots. Should be I'm just I'm I'm asking too much from the turkey. I'm I'm want him to do something that I'm I'm already blessed for him to to give me one opportunity. I I'm I'm trying to ask too much, I'm is what I'm saying. Same thing happened. I was in Ohio, and this was a cool little story. Um it was it was an afternoon and I wound up going down his little creek bed kind of deal. And I I one of the things that you don't know why you wind up here, but you do. I was the a gate was open. I could get through the gate to get where I wanted to get to to listen that night. And um, I'm coming back to Pennsylvania or something like that. It's midday. And I'm I'm I'm just trying to hear one that I knew one was at a while back or something like that. And so it should be turkeys in that area, hopefully. Maybe I have no idea. But um something uh uh a washout or a rut or something wouldn't let me get my truck back there. Then a bunch of people were riding four wheels back there, so I had to turn around. I was like, I know where another gate is, it's just a mile and a half walk from there. Right. I guess cross is open, but it's gonna hit my whole afternoon, so when I get there, I'm gonna have to regardless, I gotta go in there and and get as far as I can and see if I can hear. And that's when I got there and the gate was closed, so I was like, well, screw it, you know, three o'clock maybe. So I'm trying to, you know, just brisk walk down there, see what I see, scout out a little bit. Uh if I hear one great, if I only come across a couple tracks, it got a better starting point than I did. So I'm getting there and I'm looking at these tracks, I'm like, that gum, these look kinda and there's not a lot of trees around where I'm at. I mean it's mountain y hills, gullies, brush.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But but the trees, I can see tops of trees, but it ain't nothing in the immediate vicinity necessarily. And um, so I'm already kind of trying to get on through there because it is I'm in the you know, in a good like a ditchy area and there's two elevations on either side of me. And I'm looking at these tracks and they're kind of walking in this muddy dirt, sand, clay. And I'd seen a good bit of tracks walking in of just turkey tracks that are like you know, hard and up in the the dirt and stuff. So they they come down here, could have been a month ago, I don't know. Right. But these didn't look like that. These were kind of eh. Pretty I mean, I don't see no scales on them, but uh it could have been today, probably probably not. But um I'm just kind of evaluating the situation, trying to figure out like what in the world would a turkey be doing down here. First off, I think they would have been all up there and all over here, unless they're just coming through, maybe. Um don't even really look like nesting stuff, so to speak, for a hand to come down into. But um, I'm sitting there, I hear one drum and he just I'm like it it was it wasn't like that other turkey I just talked about, you know, a foot from me. But it's enough for me to know that's a drum, you know, and knowing what you're listening for is a big deal too. Um knowing being confident in that just as much as the shot, being confident, like I that was a drum I'm gonna I'm gonna sacrifice or risk this rest of this hunt on banking on that one drum.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, I'm not gonna keep moving forward and and potentially find one, strike one up, call him in. Um I I that was a turkey drum. And I I kind of hit the deck, get get down to some brush and stuff and and freeze, you know, until I hear it again. I do wind up hearing it again and and confirm that is a turkey drum. There's a little knoll um with a a few little very young pine trees, you know, six feet tall pine trees maybe, like just sparsely throughout this little savannah looking area, is the best I can describe it. Right. Um but it's got some heels in it and um yeah, so he drums a couple more times a call at it very soft and stuff, let him know turkey's there. Enough where I I ain't gobbled at me, he ain't drummed back at me. But a hen a hen yelped a kind of loud one time or two, and I I kind of cut back and yelped at her real quick. And she cut cut back at me, and I'm like, okay, they hear me. I'm good. And I put them down then. And um he gobbled at her when she responded to me, he gobbled, and I'm like, okay, now it is what I think it is. Everything's you know confirmed, everything is that we own something now, and we're com we just communicated. Right. I'm gonna communicate with him, but he he gobbled back too, so I don't know, I don't care who he was gobbling at. He's still there. And um Yeah, held it, held it, held it, held it, and then I can finally and the drumming I was just following the drum, following the drumming here and there. So I'm I'm I'm coursing this drumming to where and they're moving towards me now. Right. And I'm like, don't have a ton of backdrop, so it's gotta be a little kind of quick. But I mean this roll about 40 in front of me. And um, I see his tail fan come above that, and I'm like, okay, full fan, we got it. You know, he they come over, I see a hen or two, kind of just the backs of them, and then I see a head stick up every now and then. And I got to see him, he's real dark, red-tinted turkey, very pretty, very, very black, you know, all and not a lot of white on him at all, and the and the wings and very dark tips to his fan and stuff like that. Just uh, you know, a pretty turkey, real shiny, full of the iridescence and stuff. And then this is afternoon, so it's very sunny. It's pretty hot too. So he's he's gleaming. Yeah. And um he comes in, he's looking hard, and and they're trying to the hens are starting trying to move back. They they were just curious. They weren't trying to like find me and fight me. The hens weren't. They were just peeking over to see. And they just kind of start moving to my right or whatever. He walks into a spot about 38 to 40. And I'm like, huh. That that that was that might have been it. You know, that was you know, i I see him less now than I just saw him, and and I was kind of hoping he kept coming, and he didn't. He's now he's moving kind of parallel to where I'm at, and I'm just rotating. But pretty much he gets behind them pine trees, and my only shot is to call towards the pine trees to where he has to walk around and look at.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, call uh push my call to the right side down that road as much as I could. Like I had moved right, and his quickest route to lay eyes on us to walk back. He did. He walked back to look, turned around in pine trees to look over, and I was able to shoot him. Okay. But um, so those two instances he kind of gave me two opportunities, but most times they don't.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um what you you know, your abilities is is is is key. There's a lot that I let walk that I'm glad I did. I I might could have killed him, but I'm I would rather not just spray and pray, you know. Right. Um and and same calling. Very much so. Knowing what you're good at is a big deal. Knowing what you're bad at is a bigger deal, though. No, yeah, knowing what you're bad at is more important. Um hundred percent. Turkeys don't sound like turkey calls half the time. Right. You know, they they sound bad, so to speak. Some of them don't, though. Some of them sound really good. And your your ability to mimic either or is very good. And pitch and tone and volume and stuff like that, timing's the main thing.
SPEAKER_02:Time is the main thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But we preached on here many times. Most times the silence is what kills them. Is knowing when to hang it up and knowing when to call is a big deal and knowing when to not call is a big deal. Right. But knowing if you ain't good at a mouth call, don't use mouth call. And I'm I'll raise my hand. I'm not great at it, you know. So if I can get away with just using my slate, that's what I'm gonna do. Right. And if I got this, but that time I had to use my call. I mean, I was both hands on the gun and everything, my slate's probably still down in the road. I, you know, confident enough in using it. But I didn't go in there trying to talk him over that heel. I'm like, I can probably get a a few good rounds of of mal calls out. I'm not gonna sit here and try to, you know, win a trophy with it and and and really show off, but I can at least kind of maybe sound like a turkey if the wind's blowing. Is kind of how I went about it and it worked.
SPEAKER_02:Um And knowing when okay, I missed my gap, but I have to call right now. Yeah, to get him to turn around. There is still a a chance. That yeah. And being conscious of that is a is a big thing of why you got down. You're right, I didn't think of that, but you're right. Right. Yeah, I mean I I I'd say that, you know, two steps and two steps. He'd have kept walking the theme down there. Right, exactly. Or turning your head just not quite enough, or you know, throwing your call the wrong direction would have screwed you just about, you know, worse better. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um and and and to hit on that, uh, I was hunting with Garrett this year and he he he did it kind of the same way. I've kind of done it a few times before. I can think of that Mississippi Delta hunt was very intentional, three calls. It took all morning to do it, but it I I could see them, y'all couldn't uh in the second they passed this threshold. I'm like, if I call any time between then, they're just gonna tell me come on. Right. But as soon as they cross this and there's a gobbler in the back and not the front, I can peel them off in one call. Right. I think. And that you know, that's my best chance would happen. Work. Um but they had to turn around, they had to walk to see you. But um, but I was home with uh Garrett, and this turkey's coming to to the calls we had made, obviously prior. We didn't recall once we got close, he started closing in. We ain't called since he started closing. But it there is it's a rise, it's kind of like a long, it's not a ridge, but it's a long elephant that's higher all the way down to where we just were. We kind of sunk down. And um he waited until he got right in between some trees to call to where he had to he had to he had a pinpoint and he couldn't see it, and he had to come down, you know, two other steps, and I think he'd have come around us. He'd have he'd have come around the whole back end of us probably. Just to stay on the higher and and while he was kind of in a vulnerable-ish position to where I can still I can still just probably hop on down here real quick and and and and and stay safe and everything, but nope. We're ready, you know, kind of deal. Um he did exactly what we needed him to do. He wasn't going to if if Gary wouldn't call that exact moment, I don't think. Um so and and another ver person, you know, we talked about I think on the last one, just some folks you hunt with and have the good chemistry with, some you don't, you know. Yeah. I didn't even have a mouth call in, you know, this was kind of happening fast, and I remember thinking like, mm, I'd have I'd throw one at him right there, and as soon as that entered my mind gear to call toward, you know. And just enough for to stop him pulling down and zooshoot him. But I don't know, there's a lot more we learn. Oh yeah. I'm gonna have to flip through some stuff. I think we're gonna have a YouTube hunt or two, maybe. Yeah. We got like three seasons worth of hunts.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I just ain't got the time to do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So when I do, y'all gonna get a Rolodex or whatever it's called, uh Hunts to Sifth or they ain't gonna be awesome quality, probably. Yeah, quality's not there, but it is what it is. Chase can film pretty good, but I can't.
SPEAKER_02:But I can't seem to get in too many hunts that ending ending good quality footage by the end of it, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I can get in the hunts, I just can't film it. Yeah. But I try, and we got me enrolling with a GoPro. I did get a barrel cam this year. Yes, I'm I've I said it for my own.
SPEAKER_02:I did too, because you didn't like the first one you got.
SPEAKER_01:I ain't doing that. Yeah. But I found a smaller one. I got one with it on mine, it was pretty cool. Yep. It came in handy. I hope I hope y'all appreciate it. The Joker ain't cheap, first off. But a lot of the hunts that if you if you have watched YouTube, there's a more than a handful in than just the audio side. Because I mean, you know, yeah, the camera takes a back burner pretty quick. But this year that that that bear cam was a good good idea, I think. Thank y'all for really requesting that in my DMs. So I listened. Um, don't say I never did that. But anyway, so that's a little bit of a good bit of rambling for our two-part series. If you hadn't listened to the one we recorded, this is part two of a two-part uh season opener, so to speak, on the podcast end of things, and uh check out everything at rentled.com. All the green leaf and stuff that we just dropped, and um we got some more stuff dropping. We ain't dropped it all. We got a few things coming in. Um go ahead and grab a bundle while they're on the discounted stuff for the Black Friday special, and then uh after that we're gonna it'll go back to its you know, singular items, regular price, everything. And uh then we'll we'll keep you posted on the the other stuff that's coming. Don't don't worry, because I'm excited about it, and uh y'all will be too. And I don't know how much we're gonna spill into it before it happens, but it's gonna happen. And and and I'm pumped. Pumped for it. And uh you'll uh you'll get updated on the socials, follow us for uh for more details. And we will see you next Monday. This is gonna be coming out on Mondays at six a.m. ish, I believe. Uh now through May. Got a lot in store. Thank you all. See you next time.
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