The Spring Legion Podcast
Welcome to a year-round discussion on the wild turkey and those who hunt them. Hosted by Hunter Farrior, founder of Spring Legion and author of Ballad of a Turkey Hunter, the weekly podcast is geared for all outdoor communities and dives deeper than the usual tactics and calling tips. Holding true to the brand, topics are built upon respecting the heritage and challenges of hunting, with a never-ending appreciation for all that the spring season provides. Enjoy insight from special guests like Dave Owens of Pinhoti Project, Cuz Strickland of Mossy Oak, our friends at NWTF and Muscadine Bloodline, and so many more widely known for their impact in the turkey hunting community, as well as the deer, duck, and waterfowl realm, who exhibit the obsession of which only a real turkey hunter may truly understand. Thanks for listening.
The Spring Legion Podcast
Tight Lipped Gobblers: Navigating the Challenges of Early Season
Hunter and Chase Farrior dive into week two of the 2025 turkey season with stories from the Mississippi woods, discussing strategies for hunting "henned-up" gobblers that are challenging to call in.
• Gobblers are particularly challenging this season, often going silent once they fly down from the roost
• Both hosts notice there seem to be more hens and gobblers than in previous seasons
• Chase shares a successful hunt where being in the perfect spot was more important than calling
• Hunter recounts a missed opportunity when overthinking a shot through potential obstructions
• The challenges of hunting thick cover where turkeys sound farther away than they actually are
• Discussion of red dot sights versus traditional beads and challenges when shooting in thick cover
• Brief mention of Breck's successful turkey hunt with their father
• Interactions with vocal hens can be almost as rewarding as working a gobbler
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Speaker 1:This week we've had a full seven days to recap and have gathered a story or two worth talking about and probably worth you all listening to. Either way, we appreciate you listening and we're going to dive into them pretty about two or three minutes, I'd say. Wanted to hit a couple updates before we did, as we do every week, wanted to remind you all about the new vintage tees, the Mossy Oak vintage washed short-sleeved tees we got on the website. We do have full foliage. Got a couple logos in those the Deadstock 90s logo as well as our usual general regular Spring Legion logo and we also have some original bottomland versions of that and both of those respective logos as well.
Speaker 1:Got a big haul of Cas rope hats. Not long ago I think we mentioned those and I do think maybe last week we mentioned the 90s throwback casual hats. We restocked a maroon and white one, a green and white one with the deadstock logos, as well as a green and natural cotton colored one in the walking turkeys, also kind of a throwback logo. Uh, it's also on the website but I do not think I told y'all and this is on me that we restocked a lot of kind of current looking hats more the more. Um, the, the platinum series, unstructured max back hats that are pretty popular, especially down here in the southeast. Uh, the, the state series that we've kind of been uh dabbling with, the mississippi and the alabama feather hats turkey feather hats are available in both of those and, uh, the mgc collection, the melly eggs gallop, ava, which is one of our first designs period and has been one of the most popular ones.
Speaker 1:I don't know why we don't do more stuff with those designs anymore. We kind of stopped, didn't we? But got a couple options of those as well in the mesh packs, as well as a few other things that I don't really remember. So y'all just go check it out at springleasoncom. That's um, yeah, all we're doing is really revolving a bunch of casual stuff. Now, all the all the camo stuff is happened and a lot of sizes are near sold out or already sold out. But we've got a good bit of gators, I think. Maybe, yeah, maybe a size or two sold out in one of the variants, but for the most part we still got a good bit of those waterproof gators and pants.
Speaker 1:Pants are pretty good. For a minute I'd say, well, we're selling out of a few sizes here and there, but we've got some. We've got the new bottom land and the sizes that we don't have the original bottom land right as far as I can tell. So I might, might, go on there one night, here in the next day or two and merge those together as one turkey hunting pant, because the new bottom lands is last year, the turkey hunting pant two and the original bottom land is this year's. There ain't much different. No, I think there's a brazen resistant fabric on the ankle of the new pant and that's it, aside from the pattern. Yeah, don't you say I think so. Yeah, I'm trying to remember back. Yeah, yeah, so I believe that's right. We have all the sizes. They're just split between the two patterns. Is pretty much what I'm saying, right? Um, but jackets, I think we might just have larges, we might have a few more sizes, a couple mediums, but yeah, if you didn't grab one of those and you don't wear a large, you better look next year's. All I can say it ain't, we ain't getting no more till next year, but we do have a giveaway.
Speaker 1:Winner wanted to give a shout out to uh, as we mentioned, or kind of very blatantly hinted at doing a giveaway again this week for sharing the podcast to uh. An instagram story is their name. Is not away va trail cameras. All right, that's a mouthful right there. But if you are the proud owner of not away va trail cameras username on instagram, dm us with the address. We got a? Uh, one of the old school green leaf caps headed your way.
Speaker 1:We got plenty of those, by the way. Oh, yeah, the five panels, yeah, the five panels and six panels, mesh backs and solid backs and the quick dry and the really cool quick dry kind. Yeah, the little white hats Forgot about them. Those are in the original bottom line of green leaf on the website. Those are like less than $20, I think Less than $20, I think, yeah, probably the cheapest hat we've got. Honestly, honestly, yeah, good hunting hat. I wore the crap out of mine. Mine's got a tint of yellow to it because of all the pollen, but maybe a sweat ring or two. Yeah, it's been pretty mild, cool, crisp mornings this week, so been able to break them out.
Speaker 1:But one more heads up for y'all who didn't catch the new living on turkey time tees over at mossy oak. Uh, caught my eye about two days ago and hopefully I think I've either got it in a car I've already placed order but a cool, little, little uh gig to get the spring underway, as we're all living on turkey time now. And I think they got they're probably I would think they're in the full foliage patterns at the vintage days. They got them on on there about everything. Right, I saw it. Yeah, I saw them on the full foliage. You did foliage and, uh, they got a lot of stuff coming out with it. Yeah, hard to keep up with them almost. Yeah, they got a lot of.
Speaker 1:All the full foliage they've released in the past week or two, especially online, is abundant. There's plenty of it and I can't I ain't got enough notebook paper to jot them all down. So y'all check those out at our buddies at MySeaOak, but yeah, so, hopping into the storytelling side of things, I was going to go first, but I think it might be better if chase goes first, because he's gonna have a story that I have yet to hear because it happened this morning. But as far as the, the general feel and the plan for these in-season podcasts that we're doing which is kind of new to us usually we stop by now, but it's more so a seven-day recap of of our coming to finds, so to speak, in the in the spring woods, and then we're going to be mixing in some guests and stories and stuff like that from stuff that might not have happened in the seven days, but at least you know stuff worth talking about or stuff we've noticed, or screw-ups we've had, honestly, um, which had a couple of those this week, which is what I'm gonna hit on. So I do too, you do, okay, it makes you feel better.
Speaker 1:But, um, but the, the the theme of the week, if you, if you don't hunt down this way, is end up turkeys, yeah, and, and all that comes with them. And it's been a while since I've hunted the, the real hand up phase, and when I say real hand up, they don't get more hand up than this it's been. It's been a little rough, I ain't gonna lie it'll. It'll hurt your pride a little bit, because there's there's not much a human pretending a hen can be when they're, when they're in that stage, and it happens everywhere and it happens here, obviously, every year. But to this extent I don't. I mean I remember being young, like 14, 15 years old, when it was this bad, right, and I say bad, I mean it's not a bad thing, it's just.
Speaker 1:I really think there's more hens and more gobblers now than there were the past few seasons. Yeah, something's different, um, if I feel you know. Yeah, I agree with you, though I don't remember it being a little tighter cord to them. I guess right so, but, and we say, end up, what we mean is they gobble on the limb soon, and they do not gobble when their feet hit the ground but once, and that is to let that. Yeah, you're lucky if, if they gobble that one time, and when their feet hit the ground they gobble, let the hens know where they're at, and they ain't got a problem finding them. Yeah, and so your uh sense of urgency, or your persuasion skills, whatever you want to call it, and being a real hen, it don't really work unless you're a real hand walking to him and in front of him twirling around. It will work, yeah, in a few weeks, but the only thing you can do is kind of wait until then, so to speak.
Speaker 1:A lot of folks say the best thing to do is go get a biscuit and come back at 10 o'clock and hope he's done with them. But that's what I was saying. I think there's just a lot of hands now. They don't get done with them. Yeah, I think. I mean, I think they're, you know, working them all day, right, and they're not, it seems, at least I think they are, and they're not quite, you know, set on nests and stuff yet that I've seen and heard of and it's just a frustrating time to turkey hunt, honestly, and it's um, but it makes it special, it makes it fun.
Speaker 1:It's a phase and I like hunting hendup turkeys just as much as non-hend up turkeys because a lot of times the hens are vocal and I've gotten in the piss and matches with some hens this week more than I have in a long time and that I I appreciate that and the turkey hunting aspect as much as I do getting a gobbler fired up. I'm not gonna say I like it more because you can't shoot hens, but if I'm gonna not kill a turkey, I would much rather get in it with a hen a time or two, especially right at fly down when they're trying to conduct stuff and assemble and all that stuff and they get to chattering and stuff and you get to go back at them. They'll get to cutting back at you. It can be just as fun, honestly, as a longbird coming in to me. I agree, I agree with that. But yep, as fun as honestly as a as longbird coming in to me, I agree, I agree with that. But um, but yep. So I'm gonna let chase dive in his story because I'm kind of eager to hear it which is a story that is only a few hours old, as far as I know. I guess what, maybe maybe 12 hours. We're recording this at 8 30 pm on um on sunday evening.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, well, um, yeah, I got one, I got one today, so it worked out, but it was, uh, you know, hunting them, which he hunted them yesterday and saying, you know, they were henned up, like you were saying, just straight off the limb, nothing. And um, I hunted, I was headed into one yesterday that I think I've had a plan for him, all that good stuff, and then about needed about two more steps, and those two more steps decided to stir about 34 deer and about a 10 by 10 square apparently, and, um, what I mean when I say disturbed? I mean disturbed really. Got him going, got him going, and I just needless to say that turkey didn't gobble anymore, even on the limb. Yeah, out of the three he gave me to figure out what tree he was in, um, that was it.
Speaker 1:And um went back, moseyed around a spot. I'd heard, I heard a bird way earlier and I think I ran into him. I don't. I think we saw each other about the same time. Yeah, um, you know, I just kind of I couldn't tell he didn't spook bad, but you know which happens a lot this time of year? Yeah, because those satellite birds that usually do gobble, just don't. Thank god, you know you'll, you'll meet them halfway, and I know it. And there's ain't no telling how many we've all bumped this week that we don't know. We bumped that, it muttered, because everything's wide open and that's a lot of folks say. That's part of the reason they don't have the gobbling is because they can see, so they can fall in the woods, mm-hmm, and you know they would see you if you call. They know they will probably see you soon. So they almost don't even let you know. Let others know, right, which?
Speaker 1:Right after I saw him I saw some hens and some jakes, I guess Really, I think a little small group. But I mean I pulled up the binoculars and was just like, let me yelp at them one time to see what their reaction is to it. And they didn't care that I was in the world, didn't raise their head, didn't even want to look, and I mean I could tell, I mean I wasn't very far from them, I was 80 yards from them, probably I know they could hear me and all that and did not blink an eye at me. So now, it wasn't a long beard I was looking at, it was, you know, a Jake's and his I feel like it. So I feel like the one I did see. I just stumbled upon him and I'm still not positive. It wasn't a Jake, it just had a big body on it. I just saw his back, you know, kind of walking off.
Speaker 1:But so this morning I was per usual running late, kind of one of those things woke up late again. Um, didn't intend for everything to go decent at all, and not as late as I did. No, yeah, you woke up a little later than me. Huh, yeah, I woke up after you chatted. Yeah, I about called you, but I was supposed to go. Yeah, I didn't know if you were intending on doing that or not.
Speaker 1:So last we spoke, I couldn't tell um, but we also thought that weather was going to be crummy this morning. And it turned out not to be, yeah, weather man was a little off, but oh, I had a good idea, it was gonna be good weather. I knew tomorrow wasn't gonna be good. I was planning on going. Maybe I had my days mixed up. Yeah, that's what it was supposed. The the forecast is gonna look like like, say, rain today, because technically it is tonight, but tomorrow morning might be a little e, yeah, but this morning should have been pretty good 49 degrees or so, maybe 47 really. My truck, when I got out of it I remember what you want. Oh, it was. It was very good um conditions, I'd say real calm and everything. Um, but I heard you know more than one and then, walking in, had one. That's where I mess up.
Speaker 1:I had a feeling one was going to be kind of the same area of the one I, the deer, bumped yesterday. So that was my intention. Intended plan was get up there on his ridge with him and, um, because there's a little open area up there, these are thicket birds. Yeah, I mean it's birds. Clarify that that you're hunting some thick stuff. Yeah, I mean it's, it's chest. High briars, right everywhere you go just about, except for you know some small pockets here and there but which they could be gobbling on the ground and that, and you don't hear unless you're within 100. It's very muffled in there. I've dealt with that before. Time of year. Probably not the case, but sometimes you think they're a mile away and they're literally 120.
Speaker 1:I had that happen this morning. Really, that's what I'm about to get into, because I was walking down this path and I could hear the bird in the back gobbling when I ended up hunting and I was easing towards him. I'm like man, there should be one. You know, if that one from yesterday is anywhere, he should be up here, somewhere between where I'm at and where he was. You know, I've kind of passed where he was the day before. At this point I'm like man, I guess I bumped him bad. You know, I'm starting to kind of blame myself, like you're playing jingo, you're like it gonna happen. Yeah, well, it happened when I got about parallel with him in the road and I was in the worst spot you could be. Really, I was in the thickest of the thickest ticket on left and the right. Can't get out, you know, can't squat down real quick.
Speaker 1:Which I will say, this morning was a lot of like mental mindset, right, you know, yeah, I had a good day. Just, you know, guess, right, a lot, or like well, just really put in the extra effort, yeah, to be stealthy and stuff. I parked, I mean, I probably walked a mile back in there. Yeah, just down the road you can drive, you know, right, just doing stuff like that and making sure to stay on the proper side of the path and doing what you're disciplined, being disciplined, what you know, right, just doing stuff like that and making sure to stay on the proper side of the doing what you're disciplined, being disciplined, what you know. Yeah, yeah, I had a good day of being disciplined. Let's just say that. Okay, um, which isn't always the case right now, especially whenever you wake up a little late and y'all harebrained and whatnot yeah, you're like, just get there, you know well, today, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1:So whenever he gobbled I mean he now, knowing what I know, he was probably about 150 probably could see the road that I was walking down clear's day and I was like, man, if I can get another 60 yards up this road, I know that I'll be at the top of his ridge. It's open and I can at least sit by on the edge of the road, you know, and be working his ridge. You know, kind of the same deal. I take six steps and by on the edge of the road, you know, and be working his ridge, you know, kind of same deal. I take six steps and flies off the freaking road.
Speaker 1:She was roosted on the road, yeah, you know, blows out or not blows out, but flies off, um, and then he obviously shut up. He got with twice the whole morning, you know, yeah, but the other birds were gobbling good, so it's kind of weird. You know, I don't think he was in a killable spot either way, really, but sometimes the best thing you can do is get through there and, yeah, hope he thinks you're something else, but worked on down, found this bird that was gobbling a little more consistent. Yeah, probably gobbled 20, 30 times, which honestly, for this week is a ton. Thank you. More than three, yeah, which, yeah, that's what I found is every day, you know, it's been two, three gobbles from each turkey, and lord, help you if you got more than one to this goblin, because you turn to try and pinpoint that one and one goes behind.
Speaker 1:You turn to pinpoint that one, the one goes behind you and that's all you get this because, like on these really high pressure days, this good goblin weather, but you can hear freaking miles, oh, yeah, you'll hear chicken farms three miles away and you're like, no way that's. I know, that's what that is. That sounds like chickens and that's. You know, if I put my finger down here and here, that's a good mile and a half and it sounds like 120. You just hear so far. And you almost hear every dog bark and every school bus door shut and you know, it almost comes a little cloudy in that.
Speaker 1:You hear a lot of gobbles and they all sound forever away. Yeah, and they really are. It's just you and you're not gonna get there in time. So it's almost hard to pick the good one right, especially when they're shutting up. Right, if you knew an area going in blind, like you didn't know this turkey was there or where he was, right, yeah, I mean, it's going to be tough to pick one up. Yep, get there in time, you know, after two gobbled tops, right. So if, yeah, I mean, and way off, and then making a move to that extreme, yeah, you, it's gonna be tough, yeah, it's gonna be a rough day and you probably ain't gonna win that one, probably not 99% of the time, but, um, but anyways, this bird's firing off pretty well and all that, and I slip on down the road and get to where I'm about.
Speaker 1:I think I walked past him a little piece because I didn't like walking into that thick stuff. I'm like they ain't coming in it. This is 100% a setup play. I didn't call him in necessarily or anything like that. I just set up in the right spot but found a little strip of a ditch I guess you'd say that holds water at some point of the day or year. So it was a little more open Started making my way in there. On that I'm thinking this bird's like 250 this whole time, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I guess he turned a little bit and gobbled one good time. I was like, eh, I'm getting close, yeah, I'm getting a little closer than I need to be, and I mean pine trees are open, stuff like that. I'm hunting pine thickets, yeah. So I mean there's that mid-story level that they can see the ground and I can't see them and they can't. If they're on the ground they can't see you.
Speaker 1:But I thought he was on the ground but he wasn't just a ball of confusion there for a moment or two but ended up pushing in you know 80 yards off off the path and I, uh, I actually didn't like where I was set up and made a last minute. You know, go or blow it, do it or mess it all up all at one time. Give it a go and drop back 20 yards, yeah, and hook back to the left a little bit just for a better setup. Yeah, and I'm not kidding you, whenever my seat cushion hit the ground and made that sound, it really messed with my head a little bit because it was like one flew down, one of the hands flew down and landed like 35, 40 yards Really, right there on me, just because I was the only open area. Yeah, I was 100% picked the right spot, yeah, yeah, that's my opinion on it, and I didn't even think I had a mouth call in, but luckily I had thrown one in it, like leaving the truck to keep from getting caught in mouth. That's when you yeah, which I didn't have to yelp he flew down right behind her, really 45 yards probably, and went straight to strutting Really and drummed, and drummed, and drummed and drummed, which I had to watch them for like 15, 20 minutes.
Speaker 1:I could have shot him and struck minute two of the hunt, but you know, I was kind of like not the shot I needed to take. Yeah, see what he does, you know kind of deal. And then he spun and spun and spun behind one five inch tree, oh yeah, the whole time couldn't get a clear shot on him, couldn't go clear shot on him. The hands actually started working towards me and um, it ended up like four or five flew down with him really probably five hands total and they're running in front of him and stuff. I'm like I'm just not taking that shot, I'm going to mess up more than I'm going to do, right, you know. And so shoot.
Speaker 1:We sat there for probably 15 minutes, 20 minutes, just watching him, you know, watching pieces of him. I mean it was cool to see that because, you know, hunting the way we do, we don't get that very often, yeah, very rarely. Hunting the way we do, we don't get that, yeah, often very rarely. Um, and just somebody didn't know I was in the world, which I ended up yelping one or two times, which the hens were real vocal and all they were, yeah, the hens were yelping. I say real vocal, for you know, this time of year they were very vocal. They weren't just mad at the world, they were just talking, calm, yelping, yeah, and you know, just not knowing I was in the world, like it was one of those, I'm amongst them and they don't know. Yeah, exist, and this is awesome.
Speaker 1:You know, there's one of those good mornings, um, which I, you know, I let like two or three like tree jumps out, just because I was scared I was gonna caulk that call because I do have a little bit of the cut mouth. They are that close. I know he can see the area. I'm at all right, don't mess it up. You got one shot, don't mess this up. Yeah, so I like soft yelp, like two times, two, two yelps and then, uh, the hens actually kind of pushed a little bit closer to me. Yeah, that's what I was trying to do, right, just, but I was terrified if I yelped one time, they're going to turn and walk the other way, pull them away from me, you know. So I was like this is a risky ball game right now, yeah, but then you know, just those soft like tree, I guess you'd call them tree yelps yeah, just a little.
Speaker 1:You know as quiet as I could be, I probably did that twice over the span of five minutes apart, over the span of about 10, you know 10, 11 minutes probably, and then like minute 15, I'm getting tired of me spinning around that one tree and I'm like all right, come on, dude, like just break left or right, please, or, you know, give me a good shot. Like my arm's getting tired at this point, you know, I'm like all right that my heart's about to hurt, start hurting at this point, like it's uh, it needs to calm down a little bit. So I, I do yelp about four good four or five good solid notes, a little bit louder, a little bit more, intended at a drum. Right, you know, I've heard him drum and I'll pop. And he gobbled two or three times that's cool there, once or twice at a woodpecker. And then one time one of the hens yelped good and loud and he pow, but he sounded 150 yards. Really, that blew my mind, which I could see his tail fan whenever he gobbled, which he was gobbling away from me for some reason. That it's like a cushion, it is literally a, yeah, soundproof room, yeah, what he's in practically. And, um, yeah, that blew my mind. I mean it, it sounded good still, but like I still didn't feel like it was 40 yards. You're right, it should have blown my hat off, exactly, and it didn't.
Speaker 1:One thing I forgot one of the hens saw something, something scared her like on the ground, and she jumped up in the air real high, like that one seal shot a couple years back or whatever, and she pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And I'm like what, I thought she saw me or the glare of the camera or something like I was like what in the world? And, you know, realized she was, went back to feeding 0.2 seconds. It's funny how many times something scares the crap out of them. Yeah, and they, they just, you know, yeah, those look at her like calm down, right, and just you're overreacting. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen saw some humans do that.
Speaker 1:It was last week, which I might have mentioned on here, I think, because it was a, it was during the opening day or whatever kind of bumped a hen. She was laying down, oh, really like laying down in the shade, pretty much walked up on her like that's a turkey head sticking up, and then by the time she she, you know picked her head up, look back at me and stood up and like ran off like a freaking creep, like you know, like yeah, what are you doing? And just ran off and then like I'm like oh Sorry, busted that you know whatever's going on there, because she definitely saw me standing in the middle of the road walking up and like one minute later she like walked back and like lays back down, like it looks back at, kind of like all right, I don't mind that bad, right, I guess. But um, um, yeah, don't overanalyze how bumped they really are. Sometimes they just if they don't know what you are, yeah, you know, a lot of times they're like well, it ain't there, no more, I'm good, right, and that's you know. And she I mean the other turkeys didn't even lift their heads when she hit that. All that, and they feel safe when there's a lot. Now you bump one single long beard. He ain't coming back for a while because he doesn't know nobody to verify that you're overacting. You ain't overacting, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean he just finally broke left, yeah, which the hands were going right. But I mean, when I yelped those four good, solid notes, yeah, it was enough for him to say like, hang on, let me look. That one didn't come from right there. Good, I mean the hens are 18 to 20 yards from me, probably just feeding around whatnot. Um, but I was enough to the left of the and at the left of them to from him. I guess it's a hard way to say that, um, for him to say, you, I want to look at that, yeah, one good time. And he broke strut and I mean I took him, I shot him the first good shot I had on him. He'd been sitting in gun range the whole time, which I think it was 34 steps to him. Really, what I checked out.
Speaker 1:I don't know if any of it's on film or not, I hadn't looked back, but it is what it is. Yeah, it was really cool. Just if I was one minute later I would have blown that whole ball game you wouldn't have, I mean, five seconds later, really, right, which I mean picking a good spot is half of it. It's more than half of it to me is being in the right spot, especially if you're hunting one on the roof, especially if you're hunting one, the name of gobble after he hits the ground. So you've got to be there, which, um, nah, I mean I will say I think in the video I say something like he might be on the ground, like, just like, hang on a minute, like that bird maybe, like like I heard a little chest shake or something like that turkey's a lot closer than I think he is.
Speaker 1:You're just removing stuff between you as you move around. You can move left or right, not necessarily towards him, but stuff that thick you're removing or adding, it's just layers, is all it is like. You know, I still don't know how they didn't see me walking around in there. I was just, I mean, but I was taking it slow. If you move slow and they see movement, if it don't startle them, yeah, they just kind of almost expect you to keep moving and doing whatever and they don't know what you are.
Speaker 1:It only stopped when I was up against a tree, stuff like that, where when it did stop, they could look You're probably quiet walking unless you're in the briar part. I was in where it met the little open area. So I mean, I was trying to hug the line of it, just stay in the hidden part, because I mean, what's behind me is light-colored grass. You know that's dead still. So I was like man, they're going to pick me up out of that more than anything. So yeah, I did have to, you know, use my little camera stick to push some briars out of the way and try and keep from grabbing me and making a bunch of commotion. Well, it worked out. Yeah, I mean picking the right spot, and a lot of that comes on the second mornings. Yeah, more than not. I found which I did, get on one gobbled and acted right. Finally, midweek shot in.
Speaker 1:But a story that kind of coincides what you're doing was almost the same thing, it's just the exact opposite happened, which was earlier in the week when and they were still doing exactly that end up hitting the ground, um, shutting up completely. Place had gone the day before and was five minutes too late, and I knew it when I shut the truck door, shut it and I could hear one guy I wonder when he started, I wouldn't know because I wasn't here One of those. It'd be very beneficial because he blew it out, the water on the limb, right. Yeah, that morning he did too, and I was able to get close enough to get in a callable situation. I could call him up, possibly, kind of got where a rope, went down into the bottom. I was like, if they move, if they work right, I got a shot to pull him up. I'm just there. Ain't no way in the world I'm going to know when he's there, because I'm too far to hear the drumming and he ain't going to gobble and it's going to sound like these hens are everywhere. So I'm not going to really know, be able to figure out when they're moving or where they're moving, because it's one of those situations.
Speaker 1:I think it was a time last year Peyton and I were hunting it was afternoon-ish, I feel like yeah, and one was working. He'd gobble every 200 yards or something, whether or not I called or not. If I called any time during that, he wouldn't really gobble unless he had changed something. You know, he wasn't really just being you know gobbling to hear himself gobble. He'd let you know.
Speaker 1:Nah, we went right here, you know, and I had to just sit there and time it and I just I couldn't seem to like. I just had to kind of pace it in my mind, like when he gets about right here, which he should be right now, if I call and he hadn't passed, it could be past that he'd be able to walk around and see it without being in range. If he's not far enough, he's gonna slip in behind us quietly and bump to you know, you know where. But so I tried doing that. It didn't work. I don't even know if they went right. He never gobbled again. So I either missed the timing or they just went left and I was never in the ballgame and I was hunting air. You know, never found out.
Speaker 1:But the next morning I got there real early. I was like, well, I'm going, gonna pretend he went back up in there and I think I was there, not far from there. That evening I should be able to hear that turkey up, you know which turkey's on god, leave mississippi. Hardly ever, but I just put out early season. Yes, you know, I mean I've never, I hardly ever hear, and I don't even waste time most days going to try to reach one, like I would other places, but yeah, I just don't, I don't either. It just ain't a big thing. Right, they might give you one, and that's just sometimes. I'd rather just figure it out in the morning. Yeah, at that point. But a lot of I mean more times, not, they don't, and you wind up thinking something ain't there and it is, and you bump it off the next morning.
Speaker 1:But so I just kind of pretended, like I was like assuming he's in the same bottom this moment. I'm getting out here, I'm gonna get right here big to get, you know, like I said, like that's half of it. Right there is knowing the land, knowing how it should work, whether it be via topo or via eyeballs, you know, having a good handle, how open it is, where the open spots are kind of a path of loose resistance to get from point a to point b, and knowing where that point b might be. That's what I was saying. Like you can figure out left to right, point b stuff. You're right, which across of it was pines, open pines. I found out later and I think ultimately they wind up heading there.
Speaker 1:It's just a matter of do I get on past him or on this side of him, right, because you know, or you might can look up at 10, 30 and kill him in the pines. But you really you have no idea if that's gonna happen or not, because he ain't gonna let you know. So I get in there, get in there. Pretty good, where I'm, I'm leaned up against the tree, ain't gobbled yet, ain't nothing. No songbirds, nothing. I'm just waiting. I'm close, I'm like I can get there. Yeah, if he gives me one gobble, I should be able to give a good idea at this point. And so I'm sitting there, he gobbles once. I'm like alright, he's in the same bottom. So right on that, and then I'm like, well, a little deeper than I thought.
Speaker 1:But so I got to getting down there. Try to find a good ravine or something. I could kind of walk down and be quiet, ish, and it's pretty dark. Get down there. Get down there and wind up getting, and I like to. If I can get 80, I'm, I'm good at 80, yeah, it's just enough for them to fly down. You got 40 to call ish if they felt if they flew down right there a lot of times they'll cut that in half 20 yards in flight. You only got 20 to call me, you know, just to get them into a 40 yard radius.
Speaker 1:Well, y'all know. I mean, you sit down in the dark. Light comes up. There's a little different and I was able to kind of see a little bit because the floor is the mud, the dry mud. You know I'm talking about big leaves, dry mud, kind of clay colored, so I can tell where the trees are, because they look like dark silhouettes and stuff. I'm sure I'm starting to look like a dark silhouette.
Speaker 1:I'm back to the creek. He's up a little bit, I sit down and it's all wide open. So it ain't no real good spot. You know more, more, better than the other ones. It's just a matter of being realistic and being finding something for him to walk around. So I see this big. I don't want to blow down, but it's just like a trunk of a tree. I'm like, well, that's about. It's about 40. And I'm like in my head I'm like if he flies down right at that tree he'll have to come around that big log to see what's on the other side of it. It's just a matter of I don't know where that log starts or where that log stops. So if it's really far he has to walk 70 yards out, or it's kind of angled away, quartered away, or he's going to walk around the left side and come out at 20. I just don't know which one, unless he drums and it's going to be kind of muffled because there's something in front of us.
Speaker 1:So that was kind of my go-to plan and I sit down and he's gobbling pretty good, still on limb. Yeah, gobbling pretty good at nothing. And I don't hear any hens, I don't hear any other gobblers, no, coyotes, owls, nothing making him gobble, he's just gobbling, feels good. I said, yeah, first calm day that I remember of the season. And then I hear a hand of yoke behind me. She might have been across the creek. I'm like who you know? Not ideal, but she is over my right shoulder, he's in front of my left shoulder. I'm like I'm in a good spot first off, over my right shoulder, he's in front of my left shoulder. I'm like I'm in a good spot first off.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of you shift your offense to defense, like don't mess up what's about to happen. Kind of like you were doing, you know. You look at him and you're like, hmm, all I got to do is not mess this up and I'm all right. You know, easier said than done, obviously. So she ups a time or two. He answers her pretty assertively, I guess you'd say, or pretty intentional in his gobbles, very obvious on what they were to.
Speaker 1:So I let out a tree up or two and I don't have my wing. Remember I told you I don't know if I told you all last week, but I did not realize how big of a behind that was going to put me in this week until I did finally get her wing from it. But until then I I was like golly, you know, and I think I did. I was like maybe in the truck I tried my hat. I'm like ain't, I ain't doing. No, I'm not good at that, I've not figured that out enough to just go in there and sit under a gobbler and flap my hat like. I'm just like I gotta at least practice once you know in the actual woods, at least see what is it gonna sound like. I'm just like I gotta at least practice once you know in the actual woods, at least see what is it going to sound like. I'm like, especially not with a guy right there that close. I'm like well, my only goal here is to tree up a couple times and I'll hit some scratching, maybe you know, because he, like I said he's 80 and I tree up. He answered it.
Speaker 1:That other one starts yelping a little bit Just the same thing, you know. A lot of yelps in it, but very soft, almost like she's just minding her own business, and then she flies over on top of him. I'm like, here we go, which happens a lot, but it just kind of is unfortunate, because now you have eyes in the sky and they're looking for you and you can't make a move and he ain't falling down yet. So if he flies to your right and you're right-handed. You're in a bind because if you don't fly down a shotgun range, you've got to move right and there's somebody watching you from above. But and game's over, you know, and it's not a you beat him, but you got to beat the one who's just sitting there staring at you going I dare you to move. Yeah, move anything, anything. You think you're a real hand watch? Yeah, I'm gonna win this it's.
Speaker 1:You know pretty much what she's saying and she's like yelping at you, like yelp again, just do it. Yeah, um, so that's going on in the back of my mind, which I actually like. I'm pretty, you know, holding my composure pretty good. I'm like not sitting there going like, what do I do here? That and over react. I'm like, well, that happened. So now we got to be really, really, really still and, um, look like you said, I had a mouth, calm my mouth and um, I helped. Maybe one more time For a pursuit in which 99% doesn't always cut it.
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Speaker 1:He gobbled at me one good time and I was, like he done, turned on the limb, looked at me and gobbled hard and I'm like, okay, and I think I'd you know, maybe like reactive yelp back at him like you said, like a you know real quick, right after the gobble and I didn't do nothing else and he got one more good time at me. I'm like, okay, we're ready. You know, anything else will be from the mouth, call if needed, and that's. I think that's when she flew over and then somehow or another, I had a foot under my leg or something. I was able to move it enough to sound like scratching, intentionally not readjusting it, so to speak Didn't bump her.
Speaker 1:He flies down. I see him fly down. He hits the ground and starts drumming. One time when he hits the ground, like I usually do, he flies to my left and I already hear the drumming. I'm like, all right, we all right.
Speaker 1:But he flies down behind a big, you know growed up stuff, kind of, uh, magnolia tree. I don't know if they're really magnolias, they look like magnolia leaves. I know there's like three or four different kinds of trees that look like that, but yeah, I'm gonna call it a magnolia tree in the river bottom. So if, if it's not magnolia trees, just let me know what they are. But really low-hanging branches and really low-growing branches. So it's almost like a mesquite tree, does? The branches start four inches from the ground and grow all the way up. There's no trunk, it's just a shrub almost. I think it's really a magnolia tree. It might be, I don't know. I think it's an actual magnolia tree. I know there's two or three that look a lot like it. That ain't magnolia trees, but I don't know what they are. I don't know. But regardless.
Speaker 1:So he's on the other side of the app and there's a little ravine-looking thing, a little ditch that T-bones into me. I'm sure it continues on in the middle morning before I was on the left half of that ditch and he's on the right side now. I'm kind of straddling that ditch bags again. Okay, um. So he walks that ditch and I'm like, well, I can kind of see the ditch. Now I'm like he don't get that ditch and come straight down. That's exactly what he did. But he, he kept stuff between us the whole way. I'm like he didn't use that log. That log wasn't a barrier, no more. He flew down so far left that that log was of no relevant anymore. Yeah, so now he's coming in, coming in and I'm I'm getting ready.
Speaker 1:I'm like he's gonna judge him by his drum and he's getting here, you know, and sure enough, I see his white head, which I love about hunting early season mississippi horrible bottoms, like the chalk white head, just appearing kind of like nothing between you. Don't walk out from nothing, it just it gets close enough. You see it now and it's almost like comes out of fog. It feels like out of the darkness, because it's dark up in there, which that's, yeah, that's all I saw this morning. It's just that white head. I was like, oh, that's him. You almost see the head shoot out before you hear a gobble and it's all of a sudden like all I was watching like that gone, that's a turkey's head right there, you know. Yeah, because he blends in just dark bodied on him and stuff, yeah, and the ridge goes up behind him. So he's doing what you did, walking in, like he's on that side and there's stuff behind him. So it's hard to break out what his silhouette is until that white head starts moving around and he's moving closer, moving closer, drum's getting closer and he gets 20. And I'm still seeing pieces and, um, man, he gets that.
Speaker 1:That magnolia I'm talking about it's pretty sparse, limbed, you know it's not a big full type of one, but the leaves obviously are big right and they're pretty dense leaves. I've never held one feels like a piece of paper, like cardstock almost, um, but it's close to me and that's the, that's the booger and all of it was can shot, shoot through it, yeah, but when they're very close or like the twigs and stuff from it are very close, what would be a small portion of your pattern now becomes 70 of your pattern if it hits it in the first five yards. You know when you're still the size of a quarter coming out of there. You know if I hit that one able, one little very small branch there, but that very small branch does affect this shot at all, it's going to be over 50 of this shot gone, you know from the get-go, and then god knows where the other half's going to go. So I'm being selective here.
Speaker 1:And he gets up there and I'm seeing him and I've almost got a shot or two and I'm when I first saw him, maybe 35, now he's 25 and he he stops about 20. He stops when two trees making a little bit of a y I mean parallel next to each other. I'd say they're probably 18 inches, yeah, 18 inches apart maybe. And he sits there and I'm pointed in between them, yeah, where he's walking, like I ain't gotta move nothing, ain't gonna bump nothing, they ain't gotta re-yelp at him or nothing, like he's. He's headed right at them and I'm like when he gets there, we all right, he gets there and he's like sick, sticking his head up over some of them, the brushing between us, to look, and I'm like I could pop him right now.
Speaker 1:But in the back of my mind I'm like, man, I'm gonna feel like an idiot if I clip something in between. Here and there there's, there's a little bit. You know, not a lot, but there was a little bit enough to make you worry. Yeah, make me think about it. You know, and I'm looking at it. I'm like that is very close, if it does the one kind of tree that kind of could booger it. I'm like, if that does not close, if it does, the one kind of tree that could booger it, I'm like if that does not barely skim by it, if it does get half of it. Yeah, which I was.
Speaker 1:The same scenario today, really, when he would come out, like I was saying he'd come out from behind that tree strutting, I could have shot him there. But it was one of those I just didn't feel comfortable taking Because at like 15 yards there was one or two little green briars. If it's right next to him, I'm like you know you're talking five pellets tops, but when it's next to you it's a lot more than five pellets. Is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1:I still think I had clipped something on this turkey I killed because he I mean I had shot from head to toe in this thing. A lot of times that's what happens. I mean it went everywhere yeah, being their toes and their head. I shot half his beard off, which is everything. Which is one of those situations. You know, crazy stuff happens and it's hard to avoid all of them, but obviously you don't want that to happen, which I looked around Because of other turkeys or anything like that. That's what I was more scared of was hitting another turkey in a situation like that. But I a situation like that, you know, but I don't want to shoot something. You know, it hits something at five yards and it sends some stuff. So, yeah, which I mean, you know, I don't, I don't know, it's hard to know until it happens. Yeah, but I ain't had it happen very often.
Speaker 1:But I'm thinking like how dumb am I going? And a lot of that is does that same scenario happen after you've been working for two hours and knowing that's the best chance I got is a safe lethal kill shot opportunity? Right, I'd have taken that shot this is what I'm saying, the one he's standing in if I would have, if he had not given me a shot at all it was I was confident I'd have killed him and I don't think I'd have clipped nothing. Yeah, in hindsight, obviously right, but how dumb would I feel If you did, and knowing that, well, I ain't going to hear him again the rest of the day. Uh-huh, that's exactly the thought process I went through this morning. It's like he literally just flew down four steps from right there.
Speaker 1:How dumb are you going to feel if you rush it and clip something? You didn? Yeah, and his hands are between me, you know, yeah, between me and him. He ain't going the other direction, right, they're just working this way. Yeah, this is all. It is all I gotta do.
Speaker 1:And I'm thinking my like you know what, if she does putt or something, he sticks his head really up. Then I got an even better opportunity, right, yeah, you know, 20 yards away, 18 inches, his head's about three. He's looking directly at me, three inches wide. So, yeah, I mean, I got it and I just sit there and wait. I'm like, no, you're gonna, you're gonna regret it when you do clip something. Yeah, and you miss, because you rushed it and you know he'd been on the ground about a minute and a half, I feel like when I first saw it. So like he ain't even got really done walking to where he was probably gonna walk in my mind, right, but my god, I would almost rather miss turkey nine times and not shoot. Yeah, and just not pull the trigger when you shoot when you could have.
Speaker 1:And I knew it when he he started walking a little right and he got behind the tree and he got one time there and I saw his head come out like, oh, he didn't move back a little bit too, yeah, and when I started wishing he'd go back between those two trees, I was like he ain't shooting this turkey, he don't. They don't give you, you know, when they're this end up on public land in mississippi, right, you don't get two opportunities at them like you're good enough for them to grace you with one. And if you blow that one, you blew it. Yeah, and I blew it because he got behind that tree and I called him back. He went away, he came back, caught him back up down. He got one more time, came back like as soon as I went you, he went right there like he was like there, you freaking are. You know he'd been looking hard. He came back looking. I'm like please go between them two trees. You know I got and I'm like took my face off the gun a little like, okay, I got it, I got it. You know I'm okay, I'm not gonna clip this.
Speaker 1:What I was kind of worrying about was over worrying, so to speak. And um, yeah, when I stood up and looked, I'm like no, it wasn't a twig in sight that would have blocked that shot. It was just kind of in my mind of like surely he'll give me a wide, wide open one, give you a better one, right? Yeah, ain't pulled a trigger since may at the time. So this is before. I shot one right and um, yes, I'm, I'm on my head and everything.
Speaker 1:That joker comes back and he don't. He don't take a step left or right, he gives that tree between us, comes all the way back, struts one good time. His tail fan just appears out from behind the tree. I'm like jesus. I thought about bumping him, like making some move, make him move left or right, you know, getting out of dodge because he's about 17. I can shoot him first, two or three pretty easily. He's wide open. On the other side, that jerk takes that tree, puts it between his fingers and goes all the way back about 85. Gobs again later. He's gone. He's gone, he's gone.
Speaker 1:But what I did learn that day? Because I always try to learn stuff, and I was pretty pissed. I ain't going to lie because that's something I did, it ain't something that happened to me, it's something I didn't or didn't do. But I never got back on him. But I did go to them times where I knew they were probably headed and they were headed there and was able to follow a hen's yoke most and was pretty accurate and it winds up. You know, I could see pieces of them. They were probably 80, never got closer than 80, but if I yelped a time or two there was always this one hand that would yelp back at me and it'd be like you know, just let me know, like literally let me know where they're at.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like if I did, it was kind of like after a little loss, she she'd let me know where they're at and I could kind of concentrate my, my vision or put the binoculars or move in front of them a little bit and I'd see their legs moving or hear drumming or whatever. It's. Just you ain't talking them into doing nothing and they're running a lot they're. It's almost like herding cattle. Oh yeah, you know they're, they're over here and you can't get a pin on where they're going because if you do see a sliver of, you know turkeys moving, they're going right to come back left and then one go back, goes right and one comes at you, one goes, you know they're. Just you really don't know where they're going without the vocals, it's very, very tough to tell, right, that's that's what those were doing yesterday. Yep, and then I'm back and forth.
Speaker 1:But, um see, I was pretty frustrated with that, and uh. What made it worse, though, is if I'd had a beat, I would have been all right. That red duck it is throwing me off because I don't, because it's not where my gun barrel is. Right, a beat is, and so I'm like, just because I can that was the only thing that really held me back was like, just because I can see it through, this it's adjusting, for, you know, whatever, I don't understand them that well. So it's one of those like you don't. You don't like what, you don't understand because you don't really know what's going on, and so I don't know how that worked. So I was kind of like timid on it. I guess you could say if I had a beat, I'm like, I'm looking down the barrel, I know what's in front, right, you just feel like you're more right, your conscience is better about it, I guess. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm shooting that same gun with a red dot, and this is a I'm talking like a ten dollar one from walmart red dot. This ain't like a fancy low profile. No, this one's like super glued onto the top of 870, god knows when it's. Yeah, it was, it was. It was very low class in 2000 and 12.
Speaker 1:When we bought it, breck was little, breck was like six or seven with that on there, but he killed one this morning. Yes, he did Another cool hunt, wanted to give him one. Yes, talk about that. I talked to Dad today. That was a very cool hunt. I did not know that happened. Yes, a lot of stuff happened. Breck came up and met me up here in town just to get some more pictures and stuff together and, yeah, it seems like it's a really cool one With some cool video too. Yeah, wish our dad was on the video camera. He sent me a phone recording of the video and it looked cool. We'll have to put that on socials and stuff. But yeah, so, uh, we'll have to get put that on socials and stuff. But, um, but yeah, so, but no, I was getting. That was like I missed one in michigan last year.
Speaker 1:I shot and it was clear. I mean, I didn't know this log existed. You know, I'm looking up real high through the red dot. I don't see nothing not shooting right, right in time. Not far in front of me. Yes, you know, it was just a little lower. Yeah, and I had no idea it was in the world, like what? No right, there's a hole in the far in front of me. Yes, you know, it was just a little lower. Yeah, and I had no ideas in the world, like what? No right, there's a hole in the log in front of me. Where'd that come from? You know, that wasn't in my sight thing, or whatever. Yeah, because you get like a four inch gap from your barrel to the top of that.
Speaker 1:So I got a new one coming. If we're gonna shoot that one, which I gotta get pretty different painting to shoot. My wife and I got 12 cats back in the truck. I ain't gonna lie. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm shooting it from now on. Nothing from now on until I get that one figured out right or learned up on it.
Speaker 1:I guess you could say I need to order a red dot myself. Yeah, well, do you have any? Uh, anybody told you anything good about any of them? You just pick one and go which first. The fastest delivery is what I clicked on Amazon. There you go. So we'll see how that goes. But no, I've heard the Burris ones and then the Vortex ones too. I want to say Logan might shoot a Vortex one. He was telling me about it, he seemed pretty cool. He'll shoot some Burris, fast fire, I think, yeah.
Speaker 1:But then you get me into the mount thing and we are made there. Yeah, that's what's weird on that one. It's a pin mount. It mounts to the main pins that put the gun together. You're talking Spanish. You need to get that one tapped. I don't know what that means. That's what I'm saying. You stop at the pin mount because I don't know what the pin mount means. And tapped, I don't know what that means. You, the pin mount means and tapped, I don't know what that means. You need to get it. Like a rifle was picatinny, I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I got a bead. Oh my god, I like that a little more and I thought I didn't like you know having that option. Um, simplicity is a lot more bliss right now in my book. I agree, um, till I get it figured out. That's what I'm saying't your fault, it's me not knowing what any of this stuff means. I don't know very well what it means. I'm just yeah, you need a different setup than what you got. I guess that's all I'm saying. A more low profile, like a 12 gauge setup. Yeah, 12 gauge with a bead on it, that's my cup of tea, yeah, that.
Speaker 1:But anyway, we're coming up on an hour now. Yeah, should, um, I do think. Uh, next week's episode might be one of those, but not special, I guess a little special. Uh, I guess episode a random episode, is not of the actual week that we mentioned. Um, because I'm going to probably be at the time of recapping the wheat. I should be getting into the western side of the world with a buddy gear. So really pumped about that, yep, pumped about that. Good to see some new things and, yep, one of the only few trips that I even know about as of now and I'm looking forward to that I, I'm gonna be flying with a gun. I don't think. Listen to that before I can reiterate kind of what that means hunting when we get there.
Speaker 1:But, uh, gotta get all that stuff figured out case-wise and everything, because the only person I know I've dealt with flying with guns is my buddy, jennings Compton, who flew with a gun to go hunting with me and Seals last year and didn't have the lock on the gun. We got a bind there. They had to go get some bolt cutters. Oh, he didn't have a key to the lock. Yeah, he didn't have a key to the lock. The gun arrived fine, it's just the keys were still in the car in which he drove to the airport with. So I immediately went man, I'm glad you did that. I hate this happened, but I'm glad you did that.
Speaker 1:Before I've ever flown with a gun, because if there's anyone in this world who's going to do exactly that, I'm going to forget the keys 100%. I forget the keys to everything Most times. I forget the lock to everything. Yeah, but that's another story for another day. Because, um, yeah, we got a lot to do.
Speaker 1:So anyway, I kind of like the whole recap stuff we're doing here, and I hope y'all are too, and we appreciate all the reviews and stuff on apple and spotify. I forget to show spotify some love every now and then. Uh, I think we we get a good chunk of our stuff actually does come from Spotify breaking down the charts and stuff, but last week we were up in top five again on the Apple charts. So certainly appreciate you all doing that and spreading the word and awareness and chiming in and interacting and those reviews and stars and stuff that seem meaningless go a long way. It puts it in front of more and more eyes. We can definitely tell when folks aren't reacting well, you know, reacting well to them. So we appreciate y'all listening and we'll see you next week on the spring legend podcast.
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