The Spring Legion Podcast
Welcome to a year-round discussion on the wild turkey and those who hunt them. Hosted by Hunter Farrior, founder of Spring Legion and author of Ballad of a Turkey Hunter, the weekly podcast is geared for all outdoor communities and dives deeper than the usual tactics and calling tips. Holding true to the brand, topics are built upon respecting the heritage and challenges of hunting, with a never-ending appreciation for all that the spring season provides. Enjoy insight from special guests like Dave Owens of Pinhoti Project, Cuz Strickland of Mossy Oak, our friends at NWTF and Muscadine Bloodline, and so many more widely known for their impact in the turkey hunting community, as well as the deer, duck, and waterfowl realm, who exhibit the obsession of which only a real turkey hunter may truly understand. Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 1:Turkey calls Alright, what's going on everybody? Welcome to the Spring Legion Podcast, nwtf week edition. Second week in February and flowers are starting to bloom, birds are starting to sing. It was 84 degrees today and I'm really, really, really tired, so that's how you know and I remember, and when you came and sat down in here chase, um, I remember doing one a few years ago and I think we recorded it. It might have been around 2, 30, 3, 30 in the morning and we were still I think we're a week and a half away from the actual nwtf, but we were so panicky, and so what in the world do we do? Um, still like that? Oh yeah, that didn't change. Um, we, uh, we've been busting it, getting ready for a trip to nashville. We'll be heading up there early part of next week and then the uh.
Speaker 1:As y'all know, the show itself starts thursday, friday and saturday I think that would be the 13th, 14th and 15th of February in Nashville, tennessee, at the Opryland, the National Wild Turkey Federation convention and sports show. We're going to be there along with about a billion other turkey hunters, and could not be more excited, though, and we're going to have a lot of stuff there, and we got a lot of stuff to get ready for to get there, several of those actually being a lot of hats we have scattered on our table right now that I picked up today and we're going to hold off until the actual show to release those. You'll be seeing a bunch of probably some first looks and quick snippets of them on the social medias in the coming days. And then, oh yeah, this thing We've got I've told you all about it before but finally kind of made it official on the social media side of stuff the one of 100 first-run copies of the new combination copy of Ballad of Dragon and Raining.
Speaker 1:In the Spring Morning Got those solidified, got everything finished up on them, cleaned up, got them stamped and numbered. I'm holding copy number zero, which was kind of the test run, so to speak, to make sure that everything kind of went according to plan. Dust jackets turned out really good.
Speaker 2:And I got 100 of those.
Speaker 1:Only 100 are going to be there at the National Wild Turkey Federation Convention and Sports Show. That is where they're going to release on Thursday morning. So when those gates open, it's fair game to all. I'm not the best at relaying kind of details, as you all probably know. The book itself will be there along with the actual first 100 copies of the book. So I took the first 100 in the run and kind of drew a line, separated those. That's the first 100. And then we joined a special edition dust jacket to it, stamped it, marked it, numbered it. I'll be there, sign them and they'll be going um, going off into the hands of folks who would like to purchase one. Uh, they're going to be a hundred dollars, they're. They're a little more expensive than the regular ones, which will be maybe $50, which is still less than buying both books and.
Speaker 1:I haven't made anything official yet as far as how many folks a lot of folks have DM'd us after announcing it on Instagram and stuff that can we buy more than one, you know, a buddy can't come up and stuff which I don't see a problem with If somebody comes in there wanting to buy $20 you know, I'm like all right, dude, chill, might not do that, but if you want to buy one for a buddy, I don't see no problem in that.
Speaker 1:I don't see putting a limit on it. It's a cool deal. It's a big deal. It's not a, you know, a fight over and make rules and all that kind of stuff. Kind of big of a deal, but, and stuff kind of big of a deal, but a lot of folks seem to be looking forward to it. And then a lot of folks seem to be a little bummed about it because they're not going to be in Nashville. And if you're not going to be in Nashville and you do want to grab a copy of the first 100, now you've got a chance to do so. So I kind of did feel a little bit bad about folks who aren't able to get there.
Speaker 1:It's sol, so to speak, because they might not make it all right, you know, past saturday and um, so there's at least a shot. So I'm saying there's a chance because we are doing a kind of old-fashioned giveaway on facebook and instagram, um, on a post that we shared a day or two ago. That, um, if you, pretty much, if, uh, you follow spring legion and you follow my account, I'm going to be thumbing through and randomly picking somebody who shared it and follows both accounts, simple as that. So not much effort has to go into that and you might get one free. It's going to be number 50.
Speaker 1:So if you want to win number 50 of the new 1 of 100 first-run copies, you've got a chance. There's still time. That'll end on Wednesday afternoon. So I'll be announcing that wednesday evening, the night before they officially release to the public, and then you'll have at least a chance to get one of the first 100s. And if you just want the book, that's going to be on amazon, you can buy that on amazon thursday morning, just like you can at nwtf.
Speaker 1:So you ain't, you ain't that sol I guess, so to speak but, um, yes, after that we're going to be doing some deals and stuff we got, uh, I'm thumbing up ways to do a combination of stuff that we can uh bundle together for the event itself uh we'll have the gators and the pants and the jackets and shirts and all that good stuff masks, gloves, everything you know.
Speaker 1:If you buy three of the Spring Turkey 2025 collection, you'll get an X amount off or something like that, and pretty much what that means is, if my calculating is calculating, my math is mathing, I mean you should be able to get like a jacket and a pair of pants and then at least some gloves and a face mask or a hat and gaiters or something you know, really bundled together, and it's still under $200.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I mean we're not out here trying to break nobody's bank. If they want to go turkey hunting and some pretty good stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Spent a lot of time on them. Them designed them to be hunted in, and mine have held up for years because I've had samples for a while now and they've done pretty well. Yeah, um, yeah, we're leaving a little early this year, so, right, that's the only kind of little bump in the road. It's gonna be a long one, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, we're gonna be up there an extra day or two, it seems. Um, and I looked at the weather this afternoon and it seemed a little what is it? Uh, either rainy or icy the day we're riding up there, oh so, and it's kind of the in-between mark, it seems it could change, I don't know, but I definitely don't want to be pulling that big old trailer in a black ice zone.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I don't do good on walking down handicap ramps in a night storm, much less driving a trailer through a mountain. Yeah, hey, that is the good thing.
Speaker 2:We don't have to go back to Georgia down that mountain.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:How many of y'all live in Georgia?
Speaker 1:North Georgia, especially. I don't know, coming through Chattanooga from Nashville, there is this 100% downhill for I don't know how many miles, and you don't touch the gas, you just apply brake, hold the brake and you just see all these gravel pits, where all the trucks have to yeah. And they are used. It ain't like smooth, like a lot of times.
Speaker 2:you see these have like three sets of tire marks in them, they get put to work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jeez man.
Speaker 2:And we're pulling a 20-foot like car hauler-sized trailer with a 1500 truck.
Speaker 1:Had no business doing that yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I pulled it back through last year or something. I don't know what it was was, but I remember whatever seat I was sitting in had a had a tight spot on it when I got home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's just say that I uh, I want to say I tried my hardest to go around it one year and I went like to murvisboro, to I mean I'm almost into carolina, as I felt like, yeah, came back through and somehow still I'm like, wouldn't look like, I'm still doing like merged, all roads leave. Yeah all roads lead to that to chat where that is, in chattanooga, but I kind of forgot about that yeah, um yeah, at least we don't have to deal with that. Um, yeah, I think we got a giveaway, don't you?
Speaker 2:chase. Yeah, so picking up, um, picking a review off the Apple podcast, so don't delete it. Jason is going to delete it right before we read it. This is from Matt. It says great to have you all back. Also glad to see some people my age carry themselves as turkey hunters in a way that a turkey hunter should carry themselves, and that is with the most respect for the wild turkey. Thanks for setting the bar for others. Cool. So if uh and his, his handle on here is lael matt 68, I may be saying that wrong l-a-i-l-m-a-t-t 68 yeah, I don't know that's it's a new one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, might be a last name. Yeah, that's why I went with the Matt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, matt, you'll know if you heard it, matt, yeah, you'll remember. Reach out to us, shoot us an email at podcast, at springleaguecom, or DM us on any of the Instagram, facebook, tiktok. We've got a Snapchat. We got a snapchat. Oh, yeah, I forget, we have a snapchat. Oh, what are you giving him? Oh, he's getting a signed copy of the regular book. There you go not getting one of the one of the first hundreds, but you will get a signed copy of it is still a new release, technically so yeah still a, you know, still a good tabletop piece right there.
Speaker 1:I guess you'd say something, throwing the coffee table or a good paperweight probably. Oh yeah, for the office beats a rock. Um yeah, so today, as far as the turkey hunting goes chase had this idea, by the way. Situational turkey hunting, yeah I think it's a good idea, because we were trying to kind of brainstorm very, very quickly right before we turn this thing, on how we could answer some questions we get and then some questions we can't go back and find.
Speaker 1:But I know we get a lot and then a lot of them are the same and that's of course the ones if we go pick three. They're all the same. I'm like I know we get asked a bunch of other stuff, so we kind of jotted down stuff. We remember folks asking it might not have been last week, but it might have been week four and we didn't, you know, ask for questions. I'm sure if we had a q, a kind of deal, we'd probably get some. Much more detail was, but that's kind of what chase I think was hitting.
Speaker 1:That was, you know, given this situation, given that situation, what changes in your mind as opposed, you know, as in, in respect to how you handle that situation, because a lot of them are the same. I mean, and I got a whole chapter on it, it's called is and isn't, and if you go that's what I guess what goes through my mind and is answering these questions is he roosted, is he not roosted? You know he either is or isn't gobbling. He either is or isn't end up. You know there's so many things. You just it's just a halves of halves, of halves of halves kind of situation. Um, um, this is what goes. I mean, there's several, there's so much. That's a good topic to talk about.
Speaker 2:I think I feel like we can you know, go several different ways, answer some of the questions and heck, we probably need to do another round of this second week of april and say, all right here's what I was wrong about. Here's what I was right about because that's I mean, that's kind of how I'm going to answer these questions. Like this is what I'm going to assume I have the best option of or not actually answer the question.
Speaker 2:But you know I'm saying like um, how to assume what I should do and hope it works. I'm not guaranteeing it's going to work every time right and these are things that I've, you know, tried that work sometimes. Sometimes they haven't right, and that's turkey hunt.
Speaker 1:If you want my answer, I can. I can tell you my answer to every one of them if you ask me in person what do? You do in this situation? You could have a whole paragraph of it.
Speaker 1:My first answer is it depends every time it goes with every question of every turkey related concern there is. That's what I ask myself all the time and then I answer myself with it depends. That's where the whole wizard is and stuff comes in. I had to break it down into fifth grade level, true falses. You know, that's that's what I mean by that. And um, because it really does. I don't. I mean, I know two turkeys are alike and and they're all handled differently.
Speaker 1:And when you hate to say this, but like nobody's really just ever I don't think going to be a straight up expert guru figured it all out, because anybody who is successful at turkey hunting a whole lot that's almost the first thing they mention is that how much they don't know, how much they are reminded or how often they are reminded that they do not have it figured out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, and you know I remember being younger and thinking I had it all figured out and how quickly I reminded I didn't. And then about a year ago when I got on a hot streak, thinking I'm on a hot streak and how quickly I was reminded no, you are not. You know that doesn't go, and I don't think when I'm 55 and I don't care how many I've killed by then. There's no way you'll. You'll have it figured out. There's going to be a turkey out there, smarter than you, that's going to outwit you, that's going to out-king sense you. A hen out there is going to call way better than you. A lot of hens out there can call way better than me now.
Speaker 2:But that's what makes it fun.
Speaker 1:I think it's all that. It depends and stuff. And it changes when he flies off the limb all of a sudden. What you might have answered Joe Blow at the gate, your answer is going to be totally different because he flew down somewhere you didn't think he was going to, so you've got to be able to adapt.
Speaker 2:That's kind of what we're talking about today, right, our thoughts of adapting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, going about that, and and so just say, if you were to ask me a very, very, very detailed question, it'd be probably a shorter, very short answer. If you come up and say, how do you kill a turkey, we'll be on this thing for 30 hours. Yeah, because it's going to go into every one of them and I'm going to get through every single thing.
Speaker 2:Um scenarios that didn't even happen.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you know if y'all, like you, know how you're, kind of like walking through walmart, like if somebody jumps up right there and tries to you know, bug me, here's what I would do in that situation. I do that so bad with turkey, hunting like I'm like, if a turkey comes up, right there got him, yeah, but if he comes right there, I'm done I gotta figure something, something out real quick.
Speaker 2:Man, it's November and I'm just taking the trash to the road, you know. But I'm thinking of stuff like that. Somebody comes out of that culvert over there Been waiting 30 hours for me to come over here.
Speaker 1:I think about that all the time, and I do. I mean I'm obsessed with it and I think I'll walk outside and literally, just if he's humid I'll make a noise to see how loud it is, see if it echoes or see how much it softens, just so I can just log that in my head like all right. If it's in March when it gets about this humid, understand my sound's going to not carry by this much. You know, all the time it is funny you said that.
Speaker 2:It just reminded me. This morning I walked out right as day was breaking this morning waking up and it was a little humid but it felt right. Yeah, and there was, there was some songbirds going and stuff, and yeah, I live in a neighborhood, right, but I back up to a good block of woods. Yeah, and hunter, quote unquote heard a turkey one time.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you I'll take it to my grave. I heard a turkey hammering yeah, there at 9.30 am and I was supposed to be at work at 7.30 am. If it was at 7.30, I'd probably because I think we have not access, but I know who to.
Speaker 2:We do have a contact, a contact that I think I could get access to it. But, yeah, I had to let it all out one time. I just had to, but it was, it was. It was kind of one of the things like, like you said, it was like, uh, I'm not gonna do it loud because I ain't gonna wake up a neighbor, yeah, but like I did it, it was like muffled as all get out. I was like I have forgotten. You know necessarily that of the humid days.
Speaker 2:You know it's going to sound a little different than you know. Heck, yeah, clear day. I just, you know, hadn't thought of it a little while.
Speaker 1:Yeah and there's so many things I remember on the first time of the year that I forget all about. Oh yes, just, and that's stuff like that you know um. I mean, I can't think of any right now because obviously I've forgotten about them, but I remember every year walking in, going, huh forgot. I'm not supposed to do this and I'm doing it. It's almost like a hey, you're supposed to walk on the other side of the road, remember that they're gonna see you if you walk on the side closest to them.
Speaker 1:Um, it's second nature by third week, but that first week there's rust on it. I ain't gonna lie every year and it don't. It comes back the next year. It ain't like you fix yourself from it almost. I used to. When breck was young enough, we could take him youth hunting and that was my rust knocking off weekend now he's too old to go, been too old to go and I I gotta sacrifice a good day of turkey hunting to just really, really mess some stuff up until I get it out of my system.
Speaker 2:But so I mean, I just throw one out there um, I mean so you want to do one off your own, one on the limb, okay, um, and then we can. We can add scenario or temperature or whatever you want to say to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah like I mean, I do the first one. We pulled up what happened to be about 16 minutes ago. Someone sent this one just a random dm about it what was that was approaching a gobbler on the limb, he was he was referring to the whole.
Speaker 1:Do you call the one I've heard? He said I've heard stories of them sitting on the limb for a long time to call to him. Yeah, okay, so you know he was wondering is that true or is that a? And he said the word public land in there. So I'm sure whoever told him he's got to take that grain of salt with him. Like, are they serious?
Speaker 2:Or are they? Are they also?
Speaker 1:hunting this public land, and don't want me to call it a turkey that they could be.
Speaker 2:They're set up on too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you're right, it could happen.
Speaker 2:I mean, they'll sit up there all day. They will. Yeah, I've been wanting to call a little more than you should on the limb.
Speaker 1:You can do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it just here we are. It depends on the bird. You want me to jump into one or you jump in and you answer my question.
Speaker 1:You can. I don't know how we're doing this. We just made these rules up one minute ago, so I'll answer that question. Okay, and you can obviously discuss it. Right, it's a discussion. We just made these rules up one minute ago, so I'll answer that question.
Speaker 2:Okay, and you can.
Speaker 1:obviously discuss it Right. It's a discussion Right. It ain't an answer because it's got to be correct or incorrect being answers and it ain't, because it depends.
Speaker 2:So you know a bird's in there or you're walking into him. He's on the limb and you're getting there before he flies down.
Speaker 1:I'm getting as close as I can get. Okay, he flies down. I'm getting as close as I can get. Okay, that's first thing. I'd probably say, um, if you can get, I think you're. Either you're either gonna kill him when his feet hit the ground or it's gonna be a minute. In my way I hunt usually. I know folks who who can somehow get 150 and still kill him right off the roof pretty regular. And I'm just get 150 and still kill them right off the roof pretty regular. And I'm just I never. I either never get that close or I get too close and they either as soon as they're beat to the ground.
Speaker 1:If you you know, yeah, um, that has a whole lot to do with the tree and the trees next to that tree and the tree next to that tree in the area and the elevation. We ain't diving into that today. No, no, that is a very specific, you'd have to almost watch videos of it to see, because, yeah, I'm sitting here flipping the Rolodex for reasons. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:You know how can you get close to a turkey? That needs to be a whole episode.
Speaker 1:You can get right there, I don't.
Speaker 2:If foliage is good, if the darkness is good, if the leaves aren't crunchy.
Speaker 1:Right and we need to answer some too, because we're throwing these scenarios out. But you know, if I'm very, very close, especially if I am and I'm not, if I had my preference, I'm not getting to where I can see the turkey, right, usually I might, can barely see him, yeah. But if I get where he can see the ground that I'm on and I'm only, I'm saying this is and it's one of the pens, but if I think, for any reason, there's a way he cannot see the ground under which my butt is sitting on, I'll call a little bit. But if there's a chance he can see the leaves beneath me, I'm not calling because that doesn't make no sense. You know, there's a hen god, I mean because he's got. He's got an advantage on the hot on the site by biology, right, like 200x what you can, and he's up higher than you.
Speaker 1:so on top of that, yeah, yeah so you're not gonna fool him by an imaginary turkey being there or even like a, you know, a fly down or anything like that. If I do, a fly down is I don't think he could see me yeah remember I did a kentucky hunt. It's on youtube now. It's two or three down the road maybe but I backed up because I was like he could this would be odd.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm almost too close. Got back a little bit where I know the canopy would block it and and just so I could do a fly down. I like doing fly downs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I don't do the whole cackle deal because I will.
Speaker 2:That's usually the first call in the morning.
Speaker 1:I'm like that's not what I'm risking it on. It's kind of all or nothing. When you do that, and I get to and my reeds really ain't separated yet or something I really ain't separated yet or something I'm like I get too nervous, I'll just do and I some some. He has cut up on the limb though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've. I've heard a bunch cutting up on the limb, but I mean really and honestly, 90 of the time, unless I get between the hands and the long beard. Yeah, the hands are quiet, but if you get, if you accidentally walk under the hens which I find myself doing more I ain't mad at that that's I mean that's best scenario you can get in my opinion I ain't gonna say best, not well, but like, if you can get under the hens, if you can get between two groups of turkeys, that makes you know where they're at, because you
Speaker 1:know, he's kind of already planning to look that direction, or you just know where they're at and it could be a lot of things can happen if they see you and and see you, go sit down. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, because they're real and you're not, but and they're not going to come near you, obviously, if they know where you're going.
Speaker 1:But that's one of the things I just keep you just note it and keep walking and you, if you got to walk past the gobbler, just ease all the way on and just I don't. You can't go sit down or you can't stop walking while you're in eyesight.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, never stop while you're in eyesight, If you keep going like you didn't see them.
Speaker 1:I think that's your best chance. But at least you've got a table set at that point. You know where that gobbler is, you know where those hens are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I said at that point you know where that gobbler is, you know where those hens are. Yeah, yeah, I don't try to get between. Oh yeah, that's not my goal. I want to, you know, clarify that right. But you know, if I walked in there in the dark and only he was gobbling and I mean I know there was a good cover on the trees, and those turkeys really couldn't see me slipping up in there and normally that's a situation like I let out one little tree up and then all of a sudden, oh yeah, they're like hold up, who is in between me and my man?
Speaker 2:you know, that just seems to be a more scenario. That's the only time I see hens calling an extreme amount on the on the limb and they don't always, but you know, that's just one of those things, right, um. But you know, I do call a little bit more on the ground, um, I mean on the limb, I guess you would say on the limb call.
Speaker 1:I and I'm a I mean, I'm a big fan of the. You know two responses hang it up. But a lot of that is if the turkey hunting is a big difference in recreational goblin and response to you and you, you do it a lot of, you know it, you know when that's. Oh, that was to me, that was at me, that was in response to me and then that was just at the correct. That was at the train 15 miles away. That was just because he felt good, you know, gobble, gobble, they're gobbling at everything. He's gonna gobble at you and he probably ain't gonna mess it up because he's, you know, he's just gobbling and gobbling and gobbling. He probably ain't paying no mind to anything. Honestly, but if you got a lot of hands around and you don't call, you ain't going to kill him oh no, I mean, you got to do something.
Speaker 1:You got to throw your hat in the ring, or let I mean it depends. If those hands are on the other side. You're kind of signing up for a tougher morning, but some folks and I've done it too would rather just nil it completely, not even try and try to kill them at 930. Yeah, Let them move on away far, Not way far, but enough for you to get out of there and redo, which I tend to get on more.
Speaker 2:I don't get on a lot of turkeys on the way, neither I'm just I'm not good at waking up. Yeah, I mean that's probably worse. The majority of it, um and and I know my boundaries of hey, it's starting to crack a little light, it's starting to get a little blue coat tent to the to the ground like stop walking yeah, I'll know when to stop know when, to say you know this is close as I can get it and it's 150 or 200 yards or 50 yards, you know whatever it may be.
Speaker 2:And then you know, start from there right and, and if that means letting him, you know, get on the ground and just walk out of your life for a little while and make a big loop because you know something different you know you looked at something.
Speaker 2:Whatever you know, I think a lot of that hunt me and breck went on a couple years back and there was a bird roosted over kind of a food plot opening area old food plot or something, and I called way too much and it obviously didn't work um way too much, but that was the first turkey. I'd heard gobble all year and I was trying to talk break. You know you got him nervous. I'm sure, because you all work about 45 yards from the turkey, we were probably 95 really yeah, but yeah he was, you could, you could tell you know his guy.
Speaker 2:He was just gobbling, gobbling, walking in. We got there and, like it was you could only see the moon dark and I get out of the truck and I'm telling him like hey, don't you know, make sure you got your thermosel or something mine's dead or you know something of that nature.
Speaker 2:And all of a sudden pow and I'm like we, we, we gotta go and like we, we got as far as we could and, um, yeah, I called way too much, but you could, you could tell a strict change whenever I started calling versus you know, because the whole walk in he's. And then I yelled one time, he took a pause, he hammered one time and then he stopped. And you, I just knew he was looking.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'm looking at it right on my head.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you can watch it happen practically just by you know, knowing what I did. But then, you know, I got nervous. I think at the time I was like oh crap he saw us 100% we're kind of sticking out in this road a little bit more than I want to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we're kind of sticking out in this road a little bit more than I want to be, because it was starting to get daylight enough. I saw our setup. That wasn't great. I'm like there's something. Something ain't adding up. And then a hen flew over. That'll happen Because they were way 200 yards to the right or the left of him or something, and she flew over and you know, started cutting. And he, you know, lost his mind again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they flew down together and went the other way right, which is, I mean, I'm pretty obvious why that hand was like uh-uh, yeah, we went the other way. That's not. But there's been plenty of times I've gotten close to a gobbler and I don't and something, something's different, something changed, that I find out about something that I did not know at the time of sitting down and I won't call for the sake of not directing attention if I could just melt for about an hour I would do that.
Speaker 1:I just regret this is not what I. I thought his chest piece moved the other way and I just really banked on it going something else. The information I had at the time of the decision is not no more, yeah, something, there's an added parameter, or something like that, and that nails it completely. Now you ain't never, you're not gonna bump them by doing nothing they're gonna do, you're just gonna fly on a wall. At that point you can always re reevaluate once the situation changes. But there's been a lot of times I'm either a too close to him and the last thing I want to do is call and him look at me, you know. Or or there's hens around me. I definitely ain't calling them because they're you don't want them to know something's up too um, because you're gonna feel like a really bad turkey hunter because they're going to make sure they don't. When you do call, they're gonna hey, that's what that is, that's not a hen, and we go try to do that again.
Speaker 1:The rest of the morning they're gonna they're just gonna keep walking, probably like well, this guy stopped trailing behind us.
Speaker 2:And that brings up a good point. I was talking to somebody about it a couple months ago and they were calling a lot getting this turkey to respond and they were trying to make a move on him or something and got busted. Got seen 100%. He rounded the curve, looked up, eye to eye to the bird, and he's sitting there like literally yelping as this happens or something um, change your call. I did that. Yeah, that is a big thing. Always have a backup of some sort. That's that's about the only time you hear me swap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mouth call and I'll put in a totally different frame or something and and you know, sound like a totally different hand, because I've I have found that you can kill them still.
Speaker 1:You know, an hour later, yeah if you use a different I do not like going in there and and and the video I think we're going to be posting this is a prime example actually really going and we bump a turkey, we, we have our guard up for uh, four hours and we let it down for six minutes and bumped him out of there yeah, I forgot about that, almost stepped on.
Speaker 2:I think we already talked about this. On the air we have.
Speaker 1:Yeah but this is this, is that hunt right? And um, and I remember I just edited it came back with a different slate goal. Yeah, you know, and I remember saying you know, I don't want to, I don't want to spoil this one, because then I don't have any more or something. So I got a call that was kind of like just I found him, a console. I was like if we're just trying to get a gobble, this will work right, but I don't want to go in there and and blow this one. And then he we won't find a turkey at that point, you know yeah um, I don't remember what happened after that.
Speaker 1:But but and the reason and I forgot to say this some might not know, it's not an old wives' tale. I mean, it's pretty dang true. If you over-call to a rooster gobbler, especially and this is, you know, regional, but a lot that we do on it and I've done it, I did it last year and the year before at least once, both seasons you call too much and they won't fly down. They'll sit up there forever. I don't know if they ever did fly down.
Speaker 1:I didn't stay long enough to find out, after about 1130,. You know, by nature a hen is supposed to walk to the gobbler and I've seen it happen a lot and you will learn more if you can get close and watch what the hen who does walk to the gobbler does. Yep, 100%. When that clicked, you got a front row seat to the cheap goat right there.
Speaker 1:Be a fawn of the wall and mentally log what she does. She's probably going to be doing something different than the other hens. Her cadence and stuff like that is going to be different. You get in there and you log that is going to be different. You get in there and you log that in your mind next to being able to walk and move towards him. It's easy to mimic and a lot of times it'll do good.
Speaker 2:That right there is worth leaving empty-handed.
Speaker 1:I will walk out by myself a million times in a row, not a million times in a row. I will walk out that one time to go back and, you know, kill a million more because of that, because of what you're able to learn.
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Speaker 2:And they fly down and almost hit me.
Speaker 1:And I'm not called and they fly the other way.
Speaker 2:They don't know I exist.
Speaker 1:You've got to have a hat and a ring, you kind of deal.
Speaker 2:A lot of that. I'm just thinking of a scenario, one actually almost hitting us, me and Mason. One time I mean I think it landed between me and mason. One time really, I mean I think it landed between me and him on the trees. We were set up on two feet apart, like yeah, but it was a.
Speaker 2:It was a water situation, like we were set up on the bank of a oxbow or something and kind of thought there was an island he was going to fly down to in the middle and we were just kind of sitting there waiting on him to fly down so we could move or wait or whatever we're going to do. And he pitched and flew 200 yards and landed too close to us to even think about shooting him um something of that nature which is, which is also, it's near and something.
Speaker 1:One more thing I want to avoid change the situation was mentioning bumping them. When I do remember getting asked how long to wait, yeah, let him tell you, yep, he will gobble again before he dies. I promise, if you'll sit there until he does, he'll tell you. If you bump a whole flock of them, it really just takes for one to start calling again before they're obviously comfortable enough calling. You're not going to sound that out of play. I'd probably not stay in the same spot and then use the same call to call the same exact way. Change something. If you do, stick around. I'm talking about sure enough, they dig us up, bump them. They saw and there's a big difference, and I'll say this there's a big difference in bumping a turkey after he hears your call versus bumping a turkey just seeing a human in the woods.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If he ain't ever seen you a human before he doesn't really know A you're a threat, you're a foreign which is odd and that's enough reason to get out of Dodge.
Speaker 1:But he doesn't feel tricked. You know you give him the tricked feeling that's going to be a long week because he's like ah, there's a thing out there that exists that sounds exactly like a hen turkey and is not. He doesn't know. You're going to shoot him if he walks up, but he knows you're not a hen turkey and he's going to question every hen he hears for the next week because of that. But every other hen. But you're just going to walk to him. So it's going to satisfy both worlds. You're going to have his cake and eat it too, and he's probably going to save a few calories.
Speaker 2:He's probably going to gobble twice the whole day. Oh right Him eating. Debatable he could hammer a million times if he knows he doesn't have to move, If he's on a high spot or something he is.
Speaker 1:And another situation how do you handle hand up gobblers? We get that a billion and a half times a week about March, it depends. I don't dislike hunting hand up gobble I don't either mainly from the learning aspect.
Speaker 1:Right, I'll take. I mean, I love textbook roost, hunts and stuff. They don't happen as often as they used to. I don't know if I intentionally make them harder or not. I sometimes wonder that sometimes, but on myself, not for the sake of a challenge, I would much rather have roost on an easier one. But don't get me wrong, but when you get around them in the hens it's fun.
Speaker 1:You hear a lot of stuff and they'll get going and you just got to be patient with them a lot more. And some folks don't have the time to be patient and I'm not saying that's like a characteristic or trait. You know they got priorities. Yeah, you got to get to work Right. Yeah, I mean, you chose that job, is all I'm going to say. But I took a very have-to-pay cut to have a job one time. That allowed me to do that. And then about day two of this whole new little idea of we got to show up on time, yeah, I was like y'all can have that, I'm gonna sell hats, I might write a damn book anyway. Yep, yep, y'all listen. I hope you're doing well. But I can go turkey hunting past 9 30 now. Yeah, if I want to um, but be be patient, because you're in line as much as it sucks to hear.
Speaker 2:And you're not always in line. So this is another situation. You know that same turkey I'm talking about that I called too much to on the limb. They went the other direction. Hens were pulling him and you could tell by his gobble. He was like come on dude, come on dude. I still don't think the gig was up, that he didn't think I was a hen.
Speaker 1:You just didn't win.
Speaker 2:I didn't win, he didn't run to me, you know, necessarily, um, but anyways, I'd called to him. He gobbled. I was getting further, getting further, getting further. So I said, hey, we gotta, we gotta go around this bird and get a little side of where they're headed. You know, I think I know where they're going. Went over there, they were back where we just were. Went back there, they were back where we just were. We made like a 360 circle around these things twice and it finally donged on me. He's being a cutting horse right there trying to, yeah, cut all these hens and keep them, turn them around, herd them up and take them back. A whole different direction have you ever done that?
Speaker 1:It's going to take a while.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sheesh, yeah. If you ever work cows, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Which I ain't got much experience in the cattle department.
Speaker 2:I haven't worked many, but I haven't done it on a horse. I've worked.
Speaker 1:Yeah See, nick Mitchell used to have a roping pen and I didn't have a horse, but I wanted to hang out and his dad put me to work, so I got to be the barrel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was my job.
Speaker 1:Stand out there and they'd let the steers out and. I was a pretty good running back after that, though I wasn't. I had to keep my feet hot playing linebacker too.
Speaker 2:I knew how to lower my shoulder and that's all I figured out.
Speaker 1:Race for impact, I'll say lower your shoulder on them. You don't. I was better at defense. I should say that.
Speaker 2:Getting in the way and knocking them over. I was dodging, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1:A mobile barrel I was. They had a little team roping gig or something they did every Friday, I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Anyways, yeah, I don't know where I was going with that. That's what I've found is, sometimes you've got to make sure You've got to put.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it takes him a while, see it through his eyes.
Speaker 2:It's going to take him a while. He ain't just going to leave those eight hens, or however many, maybe two hens, or maybe 18 of them. I'd rather 18 than two.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2:Yes, Because one of them will get pissed off at you.
Speaker 1:No, I'd rather. I'm saying you have a better chance at calling him off 18 hens than you have calling him off of one hen. Okay, I've seen it a million times. You catch up one long beer with one hen. You're wasting time yeah, a lot of times, because I don't know what it is. Could be coincidental. Yeah, they might be older birds, I don't know. She might have something you ain't got. I don't. Yeah, there's a reason. She's the only one. There's a reason. He's the only one. He probably ain't gobbling much and he ain't leaving her and he ain't stopped out of strut enough to take a piss pretty much.
Speaker 1:He's not blowing this one, so to speak. All right, I know there is selectivity in the whole hierarchy of like species or whatever they're called. That could have something to do with it above and pay grade. But yeah, if, if I lay eyes on it and there's one hand, one gobbler, I'm like do you have any?
Speaker 2:do you have any more?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know, is there any more gobbling? Because I might, might, try that um and that's um. You know multiple gobblers. I was sure enough cut up, yeah, sometimes depending on the situation, obviously, but um, a good one is. Is the time we went hunting with everybody in the delta. Yeah, and y'all about off me with my head because I would not call these turkeys until they were past. I mean, it was 9 o'clock almost, I felt like, but I could see them and y'all couldn't. I knew the situation and y'all didn't know the situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it made very good sense to me.
Speaker 1:I thought y'all could see it. I'm like Right, yeah, you were just a, wasn't like a TV out there. I was watching them strut around, but I could tell what was happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember how aggravated I was with you that day, until it worked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was a simple plan. It wasn't. You know it was. We don't have a shot. No, yeah, calling. You know them over here. We already tried kind of that when they were in front of us and it didn't work. So I'm not gonna do it again, right? Um, they're, they're running this bottom and if you try and shoot the big one strutting in the back or strutting amongst the hens and you know doing kind of the cutting horse deal, yeah, you probably ain't gonna get it right. But if he's got a buddy there, little two-year-old buddy hanging in the back with his waddles pulled all the way up, you wait till he gets in the very back of those hens and let out a couple calls and if he sticks his head up, you don't call until he starts walking again. The second he starts walking again, call again. Yep, he picks his head back up.
Speaker 1:Keep an eye on him yeah he might not break them, but he knows you're there for a fact and he's let him let him decide when's a good time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he'll peel off as soon as he sees that he ain't going to get his butt whooped for doing the snag, this one that slipped over here.
Speaker 1:You ain't got to be good at calling, you, just got to be a living hen. Yeah, he's taking what he can get at that point, but if you don't call, you know he definitely ain't walking over there.
Speaker 1:If you call too early and he knows all of them know about it. It's kind of like when a gobbler doesn't gobble when he knows jakes are in the area, right, and he kind of probably hopes you don't call much, so he doesn't. So those jakes don't know you're there either, right, you can almost over call for the fact of he's like, well, you know, of course they know she's over here and he doesn't want to go get his butthole. I'm not going to sign up for that, obviously. But hand-up gobblers they're all handled differently and if you can get in front of them, get in front of them and they will.
Speaker 1:And I've mentioned this before, I ain't going to harp on it. But if you'll, let them tell you where they're headed, let them tell you without calling, uninfluenced, completely it'll. It'll be 12-ish minutes or so. He's on top of him and right before they move he's gonna let out four or five back-to-back-to-back gobbles last calls. If you don't get overzealous and go one way or the other and just sit there pinpointing your mind, he'll gobble at least one more on the way it'll. You have to wait on a woodpecker or something like that. You got a crow car or something, that's what I'd use, or maybe an owl who, if you had an owl who did a ton already, let it you know. Then you got the the general area and then you can kind of use a little woodship to see what would make the most sense of, you know, food source. This way, which way are they? What are they working to?
Speaker 1:there's an obvious route they're going to take to get there and try to get in there and veer him away.
Speaker 2:And another thing, like if there's a boss hand in there, I've had luck calling the whole flock over.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just matching her tone, mimic them Literally, copycat them Right, I mean everything. She pops two times, you pop two times. She yelps three times. You yelp three times and she's going to eventually get aggravated with it normally, yeah, and normally, if it's that hen, that's the main one is after. Everything else is going to follow suit, or she's going to break off. And sometimes, you know, maybe she just thinks she's it and she ain't it, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's when they'll come over by themselves a lot.
Speaker 2:The hen will just come up along, so don't expect that I had a boss hen fly into me over a thicket two years ago, you know she started, you know ton and then flew in, climbed, climbed a tree in front of me video never turned out good enough at all, because she's at eight steps from me the whole time and my camera's facing kind of off. Um, but the gobbler didn't ever join. Yeah, but he also wasn't going to. He was over there strutting, I'm sure where she left him.
Speaker 2:Or making a big loop around this thicket or something.
Speaker 1:But he never came.
Speaker 2:I mean we stayed there for three hours. But you know, at that point I was like shoot. Yeah, you know, if this gobbler flies in it's going to be crazy. I've called them across creeks and they'll do it. Yeah, that don't mean they're gonna cross a puddle in the middle of the ditch, I mean middle of the trail, though yeah um, but that makes it fun.
Speaker 1:Um. Another thing, like if they're, if they're not gobbling a lot, how to handle it? You know, um and versus if they are on fire yes, or which one to go to even a lot. We get that a lot yeah we've got one hammering, hammering, hammering and one not calling gobbling up much. Yeah, I go to the hammer one. Yeah, it ain't always right because usually he'll shut up another one, start hammering, right, um, but I know I like the one that sounds like he's lost, if I can help you.
Speaker 2:Um, if you can find a lost bird, you know, and oh crap, I got to fly up right now, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the, that's the ideal bird to get on, and they're going to gobble a ton.
Speaker 1:I mean they're probably going to gobble all night, yeah, and and they're, they're hunting, they're looking for a flock. I would say Right and the most gobbles I've ever heard. In the morning I called two, three times, yeah, and I finally fell down a gully because my legs were asleep about 11, 15 am.
Speaker 1:I mean it was very, very steep and I got very very close and the only reason I called was because I was like this is miserable, I'm about to fall. It was very, very, very steep and I did not mean I had to crawl up there. He gobbled. I'm talking I'm probably 25 yards from him when he gobbled and it's pitch black, dark. I'm going whoa, yeah, if I could sat down right there, but it would have been very obvious not a good setup. So I just like hit the deck and just started just inchworming. It took a while and I just got just enough where I could get to, where he might would fly and I, and that sun started rising. There was nowhere in my vicinity he could land you know sensibly he would never fly to.
Speaker 1:It was straight down, straight like he would just have to, like he would fall. He'd break his legs if he tried to land in front of me, um. So I knew I did not have a shot, but I was like maybe he can, he can, I don't know, maybe he'll just fly down so I can move, you know. So I was like, try to do some just random, just yelps and stuff.
Speaker 1:And that joker sat there and gobbled and gobbled and gobbled and gobbled and it's the only turkey I've heard on this place, probably the past five times I went, so I didn't really care about killing him, I just did not want to bump him.
Speaker 2:you know at the time that's the last thing you want to do.
Speaker 1:Right, and that joker, I don't know, I don't know, I mean, I know he watched me roll down his heel. I mean, I had zero feeling in my whole lower extremities and it's because I think I called. You know, he was by himself and there was no other turkey around there and I called and he was like oh, I'll wait on her. Did he?
Speaker 2:stop gobbling whenever you called.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, not when I called no. He gobbled a thousand more times. He stopped gobbling when I rolled down the hill.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Probably flew the other way yeah.
Speaker 2:But I would assume, yeah, he was somebody, somebody, somebody.
Speaker 1:Oh crap, there's one over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wasn't no curious then at that point though, because he was like but at that point he shifted from let me hear a turkey to. You're close enough. I'm going to see you in two minutes. Should, should, and you never did.
Speaker 1:Because I'm not a turkey, exactly.
Speaker 2:So that's why he probably stayed up there. Yeah, I'm just trying to think how he was thinking.
Speaker 1:Right, but me and you and Breck did it this year in the pine trees and.
Speaker 1:I didn't call a lot, but I knew when I lifted my strike up I went that was too much. I did it. Breck's about to learn why you don't do that and it's my fault. But he double-gobbled and answered and double-gobbled and answered. And we're just too close to do that. I think I will call a lot if I'm away. Yeah, um, he's got a ways to go and you have the option to move and do. You can act like a real hen a lot more, yeah, and and not walk right under him. But don't worry about that all the time. And there's some things I'm sure. I've bumped so many turkeys at nine o'clock in the morning because of the low pressure as and they went on sole in there to hang him up in the limb. I think they'll do that anyway. Oh, yeah, you just kind of make it more convenient by saying that you're heading there and not really, because turkey has no rules. They have no governing.
Speaker 1:They don't have to get down, they don't want to. Yeah, their only goal is to stay alive, right Until tomorrow, I mean there ain't nothing you can make them get down for or make them not get down for. I've had them fly limb to limb to limb to limb to me.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:I've seen it too. I've had them hop right down and shot them, and then I've had them fly limb to limb to limb back and never hear from them again. Yep, I just walk and go home. I'm like well, you beat me, did not have that in my playbook, I do now. This happens three or four times in a day on public ground, especially around here.
Speaker 1:I have no defense. Ain't nothing I can do if he does it About the third limb, I think he still hadn't hit the ground. I tried to get out of there Right.
Speaker 1:Might be somebody else's problem, yeah, but there ain't nothing you can do. Um, late season versus early seasons, I want we get a lot, a lot. Foliage is big. Um, yeah, the way they approach him is kind of a little different too, I think. Um, I would, I would much rather this is April and I'm talking about Mississippi and I don't I hate to say this because I did kind of make a note of it this past spring getting there early to be there at the roost provided a little more success, but it was generally in terms of the following morning knowing what they did, you know a lot of times I'm just hunting public land in place.
Speaker 1:I ain't never been to my whole life right going off of what my gut tells me. You know should be a good spot for turkeys in the vicinity and you know, and for the scenarios like it is. Um, there are turkeys there and they're kind of where I thought they would be and but a lot of times I don't find that debate 30 in the morning and I don't know where they really roosted. I just knew this is where they would be after they flew down.
Speaker 1:So, if I don't kill them that day, I'm still kind of at a ground zero the next day, square one, so to speak. But there's something I mean. I have no problem getting in there after daylight and letting them get on the ground. I won't walk in there. I will not walk in there if I don't hear a turkey In the daylight or the dark At fly-down time.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, yeah, I'll wait until I know they're on the ground.
Speaker 1:I'm not walking in there and hooting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, You're weird about hooting. I can't. Well, I know that's a lot of it, but it's funny because you'll tell me, like don't hoot, no no, that's a, that's a timing thing, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:No, it is. Uh, it is. This is all chess game. Y'all know that you're influencing something. Yeah, you can make him gobble, that will make that next move easier, but it's gonna make the next five moves harder. Right, because now he's influenced, he's not doing what he was going to do anyway. My first move, I don't want to be the one to make the first move, I want the turkey to make the first move at all times, even locating them, if I can help it. I want to know if he would have gobbled if I didn't exist, if I was never born in 1992, would he have gobbled on this day? But if I do something to make him gobble, that changes what he was going to do anyways, the name of the game is to change what he was going to do and, hopefully, his approach or cause. But if I'm basing my decisions off of his actions, you don't let him make a couple moves.
Speaker 1:First, exactly Anything I do to influence that is an altered state. You just change his situation Could be for the good, but it makes the clarity of analysis that much murkier than it already is, biologically speaking. You know what I'm saying. So if he can gobble on his own, and now, once he gobbles three times, if it's back to back to back, he's hot yeah.
Speaker 1:I got my answer once. He got almost three times. If it's back to back to back, he's hot. Yeah, I got my answer right. You can do all you want till the cows come home. Don't walk in the b line 250 yards towards him, hooting every step of the way. If you know where he's at, yeah, they'll catch some of that. Yeah, owls don't do that. Yeah, um, and it'd be. You know where he's at. I don't. I don't like hooting twice to see. I wonder if he's still in that same limb Four minutes ago. Yeah, I bet he is.
Speaker 2:Still black outside.
Speaker 1:I'm not wondering where he's at, but don't hoot.
Speaker 2:I have pulled that card a few times. I feel like I'm getting too close. Oh yes, I mean, that's different. And then hit a low hoot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can pause your nine.
Speaker 2:I mean, I do it a lot, yeah, but it works. I mean I do it a lot, yeah, but it works. I mean I ain't pulling out a screech owl, right, and I know I'm 50 yards, you know might be 20 yards under him and you know that's more of a. Is he still there?
Speaker 1:You know, do I need to sit down or do I need to? I remember when I was about 18, I killed a lot. I got lynches wooden.
Speaker 2:I I mean, it's like a. I mean it don't even sound like a noise, but yeah, I got a dead goblet, yeah, and like I don't think it was, because they thought it was.
Speaker 1:Now I think it's one of them like you can blow air horn and they'll gobble at it. Um, but my god, I was walking down, I was like kind of getting into where I was, like I think I know what I'm doing here a little bit. I got this little hoot, our call, and I just freaking wail on it and gobble and gobble and gobble. All right, as close as I could, and as soon as the feet hit the ground I'd try to shoot him and a lot of times he'd fly off before his feet hit the ground. But that was my only kind of tactic there for a little while, but I killed a couple turkeys doing that. Just like, just let get, almost I will get the owls fired up and then he'd get hammered and I'd get really, really, really close oh yeah, if they're going a lot right here's some hens and go.
Speaker 1:Well, two plus two means get between that guy and those girls and right, one of them's gonna cross you and if it's him, I'm good. No, I don't have to like that all the time now and that wouldn't be quite as fun probably. But right, I'm just saying I, I do and I don't know noon no different I would rather have a noon than I was six.
Speaker 1:I'll say that all day long, just for the influence factor. Um, I'm that that answer changes completely. If I don't know what turkey's there, or I don't know where he's at, or it's 9, 30 to30 to 11.30, I'm trying to get him to gobble. I need to know where he's at. That's way more valuable than his mood that he exists is the info I'm looking for.
Speaker 1:And if you call with purpose, if you sit with purpose, if you walk with purpose and there's a reason you do every single thing which I try to do it ties together very well. You know, you can only mess it up. Being being in the woods, the only thing you're, you're only real option is messing it up and then hoping you don't. It ain't the other way around. Um, there's a confidence level too. You have to be confident. If you, you start getting down yourself, I'm like he ain't coming here. That's when you're walking out. He walks behind you. You know you're just going to think you got it. You got to wait 10 more minutes a lot. You got to understand that you, you're going to blow it a lot, but sometimes you're not. And those sometimes, when you're not, is the fun ones. Yeah, 100. You go 40 times and say you kill three. Pretty damn good turkey hunter a lot of places yep um and those who kill a lot of turkeys, hunt a lot right?
Speaker 1:um, I don't think I'm a better turkey hunter than a lot of folks listening to this. I just have the opportunity to drink a lot. You know, there's folks who can hunt more than I can even, and they kill a lot more turkeys than I kill. But if you break down in three days between, you know a guy who, only hunts on the weekends.
Speaker 1:I can hunt more than that, and there's some folks who can hunt almost every day if they wanted to, and on prime land too. Right, that has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 1:Break it down three days per three days. It's pretty even. A lot of times it just this guy looks like three weeks, mine looks like a week and a half and that guy looks like three days. You know, I mean it is what it is and a lot depends on outside factors like weather and where you're at and time of year. Yep, you got a wedding on the morning. It's 48 degrees and the barometric pressure's 30.9, and it rained the day before. You're still friends with that guy that badly, don't get mad if somebody kills turkey going to the kill.
Speaker 1:I mean you got to strike while the iron's hot and a lot of stuff with uncontrollables are going to at any time. Sway your way, get in there are going to at any time, sway your way, get in there. And the little private land we got, don't mess it up on the days they probably ain't going to work very well, yeah, only go on the good days. You ain't going to kill them from the couch, but you ain't going to kill them from the woods if you mess them up on days.
Speaker 1:you shouldn't be in there Exactly yeah, all is kind of fair in love and war and public land. You know, if you don't mess them up, somebody else is going to mess them up, just like if you don't kill them, somebody else will kill them, kind of deal. But if I could pick one, I'm not going to a private spot on a day as muggy and stuff like that. Now rain's different than muggy, somehow or another.
Speaker 2:I don't understand how, but yeah, there is a little difference. Um, hey, I don't, I don't know the scientific factors of that and shoot me, make them up in my head half the time.
Speaker 1:I feel like just to pass the time, as they're doing what I didn't think they would do. Um, yeah, that's why this, this episode, is a good reason why you don't ask yourself, why a lot? Yeah, because we're going to sit here. I don't think we've answered anything. We hypothetically asked ourselves but, um, we've just rambled through a bunch of stuff that we remember happening once. Um, maybe y'all got something out of it, who knows? Yeah, um, I'm glad you listened to it. If y'all is this far, y'all have toughed it out. I guess you'd say it's tired, it's tired. My God, it's late, we're tired.
Speaker 2:Obviously.
Speaker 1:We're not even halfway done doing the stuff we're supposed to do for the night, and it's a truck like tomorrow. Yeah, I mean it's a lot, a lot going on, a lot of things spinning around in our head right now, a lot to figure out. Um, good news is we're gonna be seeing y'all soon and um I'm I'm genuinely looking forward to it. It's gonna be year four or five and, like I'm expecting to see a few y'all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I might not even know remember your name until you get there, but I like, ah, there's there, he is, yeah, and by the time you get there I'm like I mean, I'll remember it and you know that's. But I just know like he better walk back over here. He's just three years in a row he has, and now all of a sudden he hadn't.
Speaker 2:I might have to ask what we did yeah, um, that is, that is one thing I will. I had to ask a few people last year. I'm like dude, I know you, yeah, and I remember you, but you want to remind me your name and I'll um, sometimes they'll tell me their name.
Speaker 1:Like you'm, like you're that guy.
Speaker 2:That makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I talk to him on social media or we see it on the orders and stuff. I'm like, oh, you live in Maryland.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, and it all connects, then Right. But, you know, putting faces and stuff like that is always fun. I swear I don't know. I'm on Spectrum or something. I remember almost everybody who's ever ordered from.
Speaker 2:Spring.
Speaker 1:Legion. I mean, I remember somebody who ordered something in 2019, almost I'm like I know he has.
Speaker 2:If you hear the name. You probably do too I mean you stare at them labels long enough? Yeah, fulfilling orders. You know who orders a lot and you know who you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I can ask you, hey, did so-and-so. Did you ever put a thing of gloves in this? Yeah, you might ask what the order number is. It could be 274419. Right, todd, whatever.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I did, oh yeah, I got him, it's crazy how that works.
Speaker 1:I remember doing that. Chase is the order fulfiller now, so if y'all got to get pissed off, get pissed off at him, which I haven't. Gotten many emails about stuff being wrong, yeah, much less than when I was feeling them. I'll say that We'll see Less scatterbrained, so I figured it'd be a better fit.
Speaker 2:I don't know about that. We'll see.
Speaker 1:That's the time we're about to see how good both of us are at packing up booth full of stuff and putting it in a trailer and getting it from one state to another in an ice storm. Yeah, we'll see y'all there. Thanks for listening to the Sprint Legion Podcast For a pursuit in which 99% doesn't always cut it. We've rested our liability in Apex's ammunition since they began making turkey loads in 2017. Their iconic TSS turkey shells are able to pack more shot into traditional payloads, resulting in more pellet scent, more consistent patterns and an increased pattern density. So, in other words, apex makes sure that the conclusion to those long-fought battles of spring are instant, absolute and ethical.
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