The Spring Legion Podcast
Welcome to a year-round discussion on the wild turkey and those who hunt them. Hosted by Hunter Farrior, founder of Spring Legion and author of Ballad of a Turkey Hunter, the weekly podcast is geared for all outdoor communities and dives deeper than the usual tactics and calling tips. Holding true to the brand, topics are built upon respecting the heritage and challenges of hunting, with a never-ending appreciation for all that the spring season provides. Enjoy insight from special guests like Dave Owens of Pinhoti Project, Cuz Strickland of Mossy Oak, our friends at NWTF and Muscadine Bloodline, and so many more widely known for their impact in the turkey hunting community, as well as the deer, duck, and waterfowl realm, who exhibit the obsession of which only a real turkey hunter may truly understand. Thanks for listening.
The Spring Legion Podcast
Hung Up Turkeys | Hunting Stubborn Gobblers and How to Prevent Hang-Ups
Ever found yourself stuck in the mud, waiting for a hard gobbling turkey to finally make its move, only to realize it's hung up on the other side of a creek or ditch, or nothing at all? Well, we've been there plenty of times, ourselves, and this episode is packed with all that we've learned while hunting those notorious hung-up longbeards.
Tune in to hear about our personal experiences and the hard-earned lessons we've gathered from those hunts, including how we position ourselves to avoid the happening all together (sometimes.)
From navigating property lines and elevation shifts in Kentucky to the rare, unhindered turkey encounters in Mississippi, our stories highlight the importance of understanding the terrain at hand and making those critical strategic decisions, which allow the turkey its best chance at a comfortable approach to your calling.
Whether it's staying silent at the right moment or positioning ourselves just out of sight, the nuances of turkey hunting are both an art and a science. And as we look forward to the season ahead, we're excited to share our upcoming plans, potential guests, and new merchandise that will be hitting the convention floor - and a few details on the new Ballad of a Turkey Hunter + Any Given Spring Morning Book, a special edition combination copy, available soon.
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Speaker 1:My name is Hunter Ferrier, joined by a very special guest today, Chase Ferrier. So I know we mentioned we're going to get into some guests here soon, but didn't get around to that. I know we mentioned we're going to get into some guests here soon, but didn't get around to that. Looked up and it was Sunday at 9 am and I had not lined up a guest. So y'all going to get the normal, Y'all going to get the usual, which is all right. Seems to be doing pretty good.
Speaker 1:A lot of folks have shifted their mindset towards spring turkey season, it seems like. Shifted their mindset towards spring turkey season, it seems like, because usually we don't break into the top 50 of the charts until at least, not at least February, maybe until last week of January, but we checked last week just for sake of checking. Huh, Giggles, yeah, I was about to mess up there and we're up at like 25-ish or something like that. So thank you all for listening. Apparently, some of you all are sharing and telling friends about it and that's not going underappreciated. We definitely appreciate that, especially this time of year, knowing that other folks have got them gears turning as much as we have. And it's not because of the weather, I can promise you that, because it has not felt like spring Right, it has been, I'd say, an average of 21 degrees the past four or five days.
Speaker 2:That's what you think, but it's really been like 37.
Speaker 1:Yeah, practically 20. The real feel is 20.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it doesn't make sense that everything's not iced up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel frigid at all times and I'm sure there's folks up in wisconsin or something listening to this going. I would do anything for 20 degree weather. But I went and ate some pizza with logan cook last night and, uh, he had just gotten back from jacksonville, florida, and he was like man, it's 40 degrees is taking some getting used to and I'm like I feel you because I don't get the deer hunt that much or anything like that. So when I go out and sit in deer stand I give it about 15 minutes and I'm thinking, man, there's got to be 20, yeah, tops it's 48, yeah, you know, um, just the humidity, I guess, or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2:He, you feel wet all the time. You just like right, yeah, like you're, which.
Speaker 1:it has been raining a lot and I'm sure a lot of folks have gotten ice and snow and stuff like that. But no, it ain't from the weather that my gears are turning. I guess it's just a lack of. It's been a while since I've been turkey hunting and it's really kind of wearing on a man's mind, running out of patience, yeah, yep, but it is what it is and it's inching closer.
Speaker 1:I say that in the same breath that I say that nwtf convention is coming up, which makes me like, kind of like, uh, want to throw up a little bit because, uh, we are very underprepared for that, as we, as I thought we might be at this time of the year. Um, of course, plans don't really amount to much because very, very rarely do they come to fruition. Usually it's by the seat of our pants. We're doing something in the last minute. We have rented several U-Hauls in the past because we can't find a trailer in time, because we don't realize we don't have a trailer until we go to pack one up and it ain't in the driveway, so we've got to go get a U-Haul. We've done that before.
Speaker 2:We've done a lot of makeshift building in the actual grand ole oprys convention center talking some security guards and letting us stay an extra two hours after close.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've done a lot of that.
Speaker 2:They're like man, y'all, y'all are struggling.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir we about messed up and got on the little um time lapse gopro last year. Yeah, I saw they have one and I went, oh dear god, please, please, don't, please, don't. And because it was close, I could see like uh, country outdoors and stuff right there and I saw like a mossy oak sign go up. I'm like, oh, we're gonna be in this, yeah. And I looked and we were just out of the frame I'm thinking, man, we're about to wind up on four hours of nothing.
Speaker 1:We're about to be a meme, yeah, you know about how uh discombobulated our thought processes are setting up. But yeah, um no, that that's coming up. Was it February 13th or the 16th in Nashville, Tennessee, which is the grand kickoff? It's the opposite of a finale. I guess was the grand kickoff of turkey season.
Speaker 2:And, like when we had our, we're pulling our trucks north for NWTF.
Speaker 1:That's whenever it really kicks in for me and pulling out of there.
Speaker 2:It's 100 times harder of like oh all right, I'm listening to turkey's more yeah, I don't care if it's 14 degrees, I'm listening to turkey's more. It is here and I do, yeah, every year. I mean I've, I've. The last three years I've gone every day.
Speaker 1:I could whether it was before work or when I worked you know, didn't have anything going on.
Speaker 2:I was, I was listening and very rarely hearing them, but I did like one year, you know, two years ago, I heard one like february 21st, yeah, and I was like, yep, I'm at this gate every morning, got used to seeing old buddy at the gas station, yeah, every morning at 4 30 getting a cup of coffee and leaning on the truck. It's more for sanity's sake than anything, I feel like which.
Speaker 1:I did hear one on february 19th, one year yep, and that's sake than anything I feel like, which I did hear one on february 19th, one year yep, and that's the only reason I remember that is because it's austin's birthday. It was his birthday and um had no business being out there and I heard why I went well, now I will never sleep past february 19th and february again. But um, all it takes is one time and then you know that it's possible.
Speaker 1:Then you're going to be out there. But, um, now we'll be there, we're going to have a lot of. You know, all our new stuff at the convention is probably going to be a little hectic. We're trying to kind of uh, coordinate a way to get all that. Last year I think we had two checkouts and that I'm not gonna say that wasn't enough, but it definitely wasn't as fluid as you'd like. There was a bunch of stuff building up lines and stuff and didn't get to talk as often as we wanted to or as long as we wanted to with some folks and, and so we're trying to streamline that process a bit with barcodes and scanners and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Um, and we've got a bunch of new hats just came in. Y'all get a opportunity to to see those and also purchase those online prior to the convention, because by the time y'all listen to this, these jokers should be online. I mean, I like them. They're a very old-school look with some five-panel, six-panels, mesh-back, non-mesh-back stuff, both in original bottom land and mossy green leaf, and then we have two that are kind of like a dry-fit type, that are the opposite of old-school but are are very that's what you're wearing right now?
Speaker 2:yeah, and it's incredibly comfortable. It's like our um, you know the og original spring legion hat but it stretches yeah, it's like a dry fit version of that and, um, yeah, it's really comfortable, it's, it's made of the same material.
Speaker 1:Our pants are the four-way stretch and they I tried one on, I think, yesterday when they came in and I was pretty pleased. I ain't gonna lie, but I'm a mesh bag guy. I cannot hunt in a solid back hat really ever I don't ever. I don't care if it's nine degrees, I'm hunting in something mesh just to let my head breathe I feel just smothered, if not I'm weird like that.
Speaker 2:I'm not. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm normal for that I've always worn. You know, I think it was the first spring legion hat you gave me see, I can't even wear this I've wore I've worn it.
Speaker 2:Turkey hunting if I, if I'm carrying a gun, I care I wear that hat and if not, you know, I may just mix it up a little bit but, um, you know, at one point I lost it mid-season and I think I was talking to somebody I was hunting with. I can't remember who it was, but I was in a sheer panic.
Speaker 1:I was like I've got to have my hat Freaked out a little bit. I'm like that.
Speaker 2:But you know, it was just one of those things like once you find a good one for a couple years, you've got to hunt in it.
Speaker 1:I've got a couple that are in my vest pockets for superstitious reasons, that will always be with me, and stuff like that and stuff like that. That way, before Spring Legion came about, I've still got, you know, some short-brimmed hats from a pawpaw and all kinds of stuff, and something worked one time or another while this was in tow and it's going to stay in tow until that luck proves otherwise, right?
Speaker 1:Well, we should have those still by the time the convention rolls around, along with everything else. And then I did mention last week the new book, and I told you allall we were gonna have a lot of details on it, and I don't have as many as I'd like but, I will spill out as much as I can.
Speaker 1:It is going to be a combination copy of ballad of turkey hunter and any given spring morning. It's kind of just a special edition combination copy. Um got one right here. One of the proofs, one of the three proofs we got, turned out pretty good. I'm not gonna lie. I'm very pleased with it. In the amount of time it took me to try to throw it all together it.
Speaker 1:It stuck pretty well when I did throw it together so I don't have to do much changing or anything like that. We've got some um already on order but they are probably going to release on amazon. Probably there's a big underline under probably february 2nd, which is a sunday um at 6 pm central time. So and you might want to check in on us, make sure that's still, you know, valid a little closer to that release date. But but more than likely that will happen they'll release on amazon february 2nd at 6 pm central time. The first signed copies will probably be available at NWTF and then they're potentially, if all works out like I hope it does and everything is scheduled to kind of get here in time, we'll have a special edition for, like collector's edition, numbered copy, not just like scribbled in there, numbered, but but an official registered type deal that um.
Speaker 1:It will definitely be at nwtf okay, so that that's going to happen and, um, it might be like the first 50 of every day or those. And you know you can't come in at three o'clock and get one. You've got to be there at the beginning to get it and just to limit it to an extent.
Speaker 1:And then I mean, who knows, every copy there might be all we got, I don't know. I don't know that the Amazon thing is going to fulfill in time, I don't know. There's still some parameters that are in motion. So until that's all solidified, y'all take everything that I just told, y'all detail-wise on release dates and times and stuff. They are probable, but it's going to happen and we're definitely going to have them at NWTF. So if you take anything away from that, just know that and then we'll probably definitely have them after NWTF. But I'm trying to get it out as quickly as I can. I like it and I think folks are going to like it. The few people who have seen it and thumbed through it think it's a good idea just to have them both in one time. And a good gift, I would say, to hand to somebody or to get dad or brother or something like that. Other than that, you know our usual. Y'all check us out on the website and then there should be YouTube videos coming soon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're trying to get those lined out. Still, we've been trying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people are tired of hearing that word.
Speaker 2:No, I know. Well, the main thing we've got to work on this year is filing the videos properly.
Speaker 1:I've got them filed. No, no, no, you may, I don't I. I've got them filed. No, no, no, you may, I don't. I got them filed, I was really bad about filing them by. Two years ago I was really bad about it, and then I learned the hard way. No, you got to organize it that day.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Now I got to go back on my phone and see what happened on them days because all I did was put the date down about what happened. So I don't know what really happened. But all the states, all the regions are all grouped and then in subgroups is the dates and you know this state number five.
Speaker 2:I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1:Now I did at the time, but I don't know what that means now. But it ain't gonna be hard to to decode, I don't imagine once I get to them. Um but, those should be start rolling out. We're gonna pick a day monday, sunday, usually. I really don't know, I ain't gonna tell y'all wrong um and we'll start doing weekly hunts being aired and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So y'all follow along there, and then we'll also have tidbits on our social medias here and there, but the topic for the day, the real reason y'all are here, is um hung up turkeys so death taxes and hung up turkeys that's kind of one of life's absolutes, yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I don't know where it's all going to go. I just know that that's one of probably the more asked-about topics. We get various questions, a lot of questions. Honestly, various questions, various. Can y'all hit on this? Can y'all hit on that?
Speaker 1:And not half, but 40%, I'd say, are in some form or fashion in the realm of a hung up turkey. Right, if there's some, some folks go into detail, like he's on this ridge, I'm on this ridge and this is happening. I'm like so he's hung up. You know, like you know, all turkeys are different. I can't give you a specific. I can just kind of tell you what has happened to me in the past and and and how to solve hung up turkeys. If you want a very short, sweet answer is to prevent them from hanging up. Yeah, that's how it's best solved. That I found, um, you know, you solve it by not letting it happen and most times, if the turkeys hung up on me is because I let him not. I let him hang up. I made him hang up, right, I positioned myself at a spot where he could hang up. And it's murphy, not murphy's law, whatever the if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, they're gonna, they're gonna hang up if they can, and and yeah, I mean, I see a lot of that you know same questions and and a lot of the scenarios people you know take the time to type out are very similar scenarios you know, yeah, and it's like oh, I
Speaker 1:know what's going on now you know soon as in I know where it's going to end up.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, and I feel like a majority of them are flatwoods open landscape Could be.
Speaker 1:You know, I hear a lot of that.
Speaker 2:And then I'm on the wrong ridge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm on the wrong finger ridge. That's hard to guess the wrong ridge you know, yeah, I'm on the wrong right ridge.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's yeah, that just, and a lot of the like, the better scenarios or you know the scenarios that go better for you. I'd say, with a hung up bird, or I'm trying to figure out how to word this um, letting him get hung up, like you just said you know why. You know almost blaming yourself for I didn't do something right.
Speaker 2:A lot of that normally comes with not knowing the land well enough. Right, you know, if you don't know there's a ditch down there that flooded last night, you know because it rained and you know stuff like that. You know you can't really help those scenarios, but like if it's a piece of private ground that you know every square inch of and he hangs up. I mean, those are the times you kind of really got to scratch your head, you know what I'm saying which I I remember I mean when it depends on terrain.
Speaker 1:Obviously it depends on the deck on bird you're hunting. More than anything it depends on your last call and call before that and the time of day. I mean so many parameters go into whether or not a bird hangs up you like. First thing is to accept that you can't control it. Right, you know You're not really going to keep him from hanging up and you're not really going to talk him out of hanging up.
Speaker 1:You just got to play your cards to the best of your ability and then keep a few things, rules of thumb, tendencies in mind in respect to where you are, what time of year, what time of day, what the turkey deal, what you've been doing, all that stuff. But in the generality realm of you know just a broad spectrum. A turkey usually hangs up when he gets to a point that he doesn't have to cross, that he's at a spot where a hen would usually travel to him. Right, because turkeys don't do anything they don't have to do? I don't think they do at least Right, they barely do things they don't want to do every now and then. But if they ain't got to do it, they don't usually do it, but nothing's usual on the turkey wood, so it's hard to even compare it to that.
Speaker 1:But to begin, where you sit is likely the biggest factor I think you know. And what's between you and the bird, that's what it boils down to, is what's between y'all. Right, If it's a holla, if it's anything big, if it's anything major, that's pretty, you know, good chance it could.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:At least if it's, if you're in a thicket and it's a thicket all the way to him. Your guess is as good as mine, I don't you know but, his guess is as good as yours, so y'all might wind up meeting in the middle eventually. But if he really wants to, he can get there. Some type of way he can go around, he can go back forward, so can you, and sometimes he's not really hung up, he's just taking a while yeah, he's trying to figure out how to get there um, and a lot of times.
Speaker 1:Turkeys know that, especially if you're in new woods, they know how to get to you. You just think he's ignoring. You think he's doing something different. He's really walking down to where he knows he can get around this swamp you know.
Speaker 2:If you don't know the cross, right, yeah, you know, I'm saying like, how often do you just go straight to him?
Speaker 1:or you know, you know you hit a creek. You don't just like barrel off into it and come back up, unless I mean you can yeah.
Speaker 2:Or you're going to kind of walk left and right.
Speaker 1:You're going to check you know you're going to make sure there ain't an easier, you know path of least resistance within the next tenth of a mile at least. You know 100 yards maybe Right, at least it looks and a lot of times they have wings. So you know, water's a little different for them, but it's just hard to talk them into that. But if you sit and you put and this happens a lot, and I'm not saying this as, like people who don't know what they're doing do this I do this still, not necessarily by accident, but because I don't observe enough or I mean I've done this a lot in the past, though, especially when I started out turkey hunting.
Speaker 1:I was putting the pretty spot in the you know, trying to sit in the open. Sit in this pretty spot, you know, sit where you think you should kill him, except if you really want to kill him, put that 40 yards away, kind of deal. You know I want to sit where it's wide open. I can see everything. This is what the tv shows look like. They come through this stuff where they're filming ahead of you. They're not filming where your boots are at um, and you know, a lot of times you're not hunting in woods that are all that pretty and you know you might come across a hollow. It looks like that every now and then, but a lot of times you're gonna shoot them and stuff that looks like ugly right you know ugly woods.
Speaker 1:Um, if you're sitting in a good spot, usually you just have a pretty sliver and that's where you want him to walk out, because that means he can. That's what he's going to have to do to look into there. Um, and I've sat in there and you can call and call and call and if, um, if there's an edge of any type between you and him, he's going to stop at that edge and the moment he can see in that wide open, his feet are probably going to freeze up because he don't got to move. If he can see the other side completely and he can see where that hen just called to be and there ain't no hen there, he's probably not hanging out a whole lot longer, but he'll get there and a lot of times they will hammer and they'll hammer and they'll gobble, a thousand more times. They're almost getting confused, confused, and then they start smelling a rat after a while.
Speaker 1:A, you're probably in the wide open and I know I can't see as good as a turkey, and whoever's listening probably can't either. More times than not you're probably a turkey can see. He might not see you, but he can see where you're at way before you see the turkey, you know. And if he starts looking around and ain't nothing there, and you start calling from a tree in the middle of wide open and there ain't no hen around, it's you know he's seen this before, especially on public land.
Speaker 1:You know, you probably ain't the person to do it that week, um heck, maybe that morning. So it's, I will, I will, I will backtrack, I will walk left, right, you know, not the opposite of directly to him just to get out of the open. You know, if you put it, say, if you're in a big open spot and you come backwards.
Speaker 2:And it can be woods, it's not necessarily just like an open field. Yeah, I'm thinking open woods, open landscape woods.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm thinking of river bottom, right, right In my mind painting this picture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that has held water or something you know doesn't have a lot of understory growth, big, you know, big timber all the leaves are high up, you know that's which does look beautiful 90% of the time. You know, pretty quote. Unquote turkey woods Right and yeah, they'll pass through there. They like to be in there, so don't think that they don't like to be in there it's just a lot harder to call them in there, because they get to and you'll see a glimpse of them 99% of the time.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, You'll see them.
Speaker 2:You'll see his fan go up and down 80 yards, 80 yards, 90 yards, whatever it may be, but that's as far as he could come without seeing you. But but you know you don't need to walk to him if you got a one treetop blow down in there to get on one side of the other it can help you a lot now. I have seen them make a big loop around that door. They can see the left side and then loop around to see the right side.
Speaker 1:My god ain't walking in the middle.
Speaker 2:He ain't walking in the middle, yeah you know I'm saying they're gonna stay out there 100 yards or so and he can see walk a circle around that treetop you're sitting in. That's why he's still alive, exactly.
Speaker 1:Especially, you know, if you're hunting above the ground, he's there for a reason and it ain't because he's easy, correct, you know. You got to keep that in mind. So don't think it's a I suck kind of deal. You're probably duking it out with a dude who's probably played it a little more than you have, honestly, probably played it a little more than you have, honestly, you know. You just don't know how many or to what extent, because you weren't there every morning or you don't know what happened the season before, how long you know that memory has lasted. But yeah, I mean, when you start getting out of it and letting him, what was it? George Mayfield said it. He's probably forgotten about more turkeys he's shot than I will ever remember shooting.
Speaker 1:He put it into very good terms last year in one of our episodes was the stage. He calls it a stage, okay, and he's meaning the open, pretty woods area. Right, you know, let him have the stage is what he said. I believe Y'all listen to this and remember it. Quote me, if you can, or correct me. But I think he said you know, let him allow him to have it. You know, don't crowd it, don't get in it, don't mess it up. Let him have it and make it comfortable for him to get in. He wants to be in the open and display. That's a lucky species of bird. That's what they do. They display for their courtship for their hens. Whatever it is, no-transcript. I hate hunting. The most wide open pines have just been burned. Oh yeah, because it's the exact same everywhere and it's hard to find anything. And there's unless, especially if it's flat.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about burns, you know, for hunting turkeys. People know that, but you got to have some terrain changes it depends on the type and the kind. Yes, and there will be turkeys up in them, and you know quantities that you've never seen before and it don't matter if it's just you know straight lines of pines this way, that way, this way, that way.
Speaker 1:You can't, you can't just talk them around one tree when there's, you know, wide open, and they know that a turkey hadn't walked up there. They're gonna a see you before you even think about it. Oh yeah, but b you got to get some kind of elevation between you or something, a reason for them to come around right um, same goes for you know, fields, stuff, um, and calling too much.
Speaker 1:And I get responded to a lot by folks who do like to call. Like you know that when I do shut up it doesn't always happen, but when I do cut up on the calls it does happen. I'm like it happens to me too. I promise you know it. Just I, just I harp on the silence a lot more for unhanging them up than I do calling a lot more. But I have waylaid on it before and talked them out of it. You know, unlacing those concrete shoes they'll get. And a lot of times it's not the waylaying on the calls, it's the silence which follows the heavy calling, the intensity of those calling.
Speaker 1:That's what you're painting a picture. You're not throwing a picture on there and it just sticks. You've got to do it one stroke at a time. One stroke at a time and you wind up having a. At the end it all kind of ties together. And when you tie it together it's usually when you put the striker in your pocket and let him go. From there he might hammer and hammer and hammer and hammer and hammer and hammer. Sometimes I will call back one time. Let him know I'm still there, and if he cuts you off or you get that second yelp out, then I definitely ain't calling again yeah, you're done.
Speaker 1:You pretty much just threw gas on it with that one little yelp. But if he's over 100 yards when he's doing all this and then he's walking halfway and you just kind of call randomly he might not answer you because you might have just told him where you were at without him having to gobble Then he's going to do this whole get on the higher ground, get the edge and then look and see, make sure he don't get shot.
Speaker 1:yeah, and you ain't never gonna know it you don't think he hung up and walked the other way and he really has been standing 45 yards to your right.
Speaker 2:You've just been facing straight where he last got here drumming behind, oh yeah, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah um, you told him a little too much. He he could really narrow it down with that one last call when he didn't need it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:He was coming to find out and he would have gotten close and gobbled and you would have been able to whip around, do whatever you got to do and then probably lay eyes on him and let him tell you if you do or do not need to call. If he said it straight towards you, you do not need to call. Oh, no call oh no, don't make him. Yeah, don't try to make him gobble one last time. You know, you know where he's at, don't you know? You might you?
Speaker 1:you'll hear another turkey gobble. You know just, it ain't got to be that one, but but if you don't know where he's at and sometimes I will call him I need a gobble bad you know, I know he's moving and he has moved since his last one and you're debating moving yourself and I don't right I'll, yeah cutter, and this is when I'll pop a wing or something you know.
Speaker 1:Not necessarily let him know where the hen's at, just a turkey is at. It might not have been the one he's been here, I don't, you know. Kind of leave that up for grabs. Um, but um, scratching, you know stuff like that, but I say that in the same breath as I say this. I don't like making them noise at all unless I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure he's either on the way, has been on the way and turned back around, or he's completely, has lost interest, completely that I would rather him be off in his margin of error way more by about 60 yards than about three feet. I don't want him to know my exact tree. You know what I'm saying. The way he does have to gobble a little bit and he does have to look and wander and stuff like that. Because when you tell him the exact tree he's going to, he's an animal, he's going to find a way to get to where he can see that tree, probably before you're able to see him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there's ways to unhang him up, there's ways to more accurately keep them from hanging up, I would say, and that's that has a lot to do with where you sit um and where you're hunting right, and the bird hunting and how many birds you hunt. So it's just so much goes into it. I'm trying to think of some stories that we could tie in there. As far as that goes, I know there's one and I just got through editing that book about one, but I'm sure you got one too, yeah um, I mean I've got several, but it's hard to pick one because they're all very different scenarios.
Speaker 1:I have fewer stories of them getting hung up, then I have a lot of stories I'm getting getting hung up.
Speaker 2:I want to say that first.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, it ain't like I go in there and just keep it from hanging up all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean, one thing I've I've learned I guess you'd say that has worked for me a handful of times was like you were kind of saying you know calling getting them fired, but like it's not just whale-ailing on it, it's with thought behind it.
Speaker 2:you know If I can get one to gobble two or three times at me hard you know, if it's been kind of a lull and I know he's hung up, he's gobbled one or two times on his own over there, you know, since we were last having a conversation with the turkey, I guess you'd say calling back and forth and whatnot, and, um, you know, because I do like to call a little more than you do, I'll, I'll kind of give you know, give him the beans for a minute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get him where he's. You know, hang on a minute, woman, let me catch my breath. I'm tired of gobbling, you know.
Speaker 2:And then that's when you kind of fade out and drop off silent, right, and that's, that's broke them a handful of times you know, and I mean I'll give them a good 15, 20 minutes of silence and normally they'll keep gobbling, yes, every couple minutes and letting you know like I'm trying to figure it out hang on, you know, don't don every couple minutes and letting you know like I'm trying to figure it out, hang on you know, don't, don't leave, don't leave, you know, and it normally work out which I mean a lot of that's.
Speaker 1:That's a turkey that I can't see yes, I know he can't see me, but he's hung up on a creek or a limb in the road or whatever it may be right you know he's hung up out of sight, not in open woods.
Speaker 2:He can see me out there at 80 yards.
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Speaker 1:I don't remember which chapter it was it was in any given spring morning Is or isn't. Maybe I think it was one of the chapters named, but it really. It puts it into perspective of 211-degree water being really hot water, 212 degree water being boiling water there's one degree difference and the whole state of matter changes.
Speaker 1:Turkey temps ain't no different. You can have a really hot turkey and then sit there and just be really hot water. Yeah, he can gobble and gobble and gobble and gobble, but he ain't moving and he ain't changing what he's doing until you inflict that one little minute change that changes it into 212 degree water and that's boiling water and that whole state of matter changes.
Speaker 1:And a lot of that is silence, movement, literally movement, and scratching your feet moving and then movement is in your position to move in realism of some kind or nature, an added hand to the situation. But if you're going to sit there, the 211 degree water is the duplication with higher hopes. Yeah, I'm going to keep doing six note yoke, and he's going to keep gobbling.
Speaker 1:I'm going to do another six note yoke, he's going to gobble. He's probably going to gobble at every one of them, but he's not going to change because you haven't changed. Until you change some form or fashion, he's going to sit there and be hot water Right Until you have one degree difference to make it boiling. And that's when he changes and that's when his feet move.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you've got to do something. Oh yeah, you've got to change it up.
Speaker 1:And sometimes that changes nothing. Be very clear on that. Like, if you're calling and calling and calling, not doing anything at all is a change in what you've been doing, right, so it doesn't mean you have to actively do something. You can change the direction of your call, you can change the call on your hand. You can very much so change to not calling at all and it'll work. Yeah, much so changed to not calling at all and it'll work.
Speaker 2:I mean, the curiosity will kill them in a situation of that nature more times than not.
Speaker 1:Because that's not normal, you know. Yeah, and going back to Mr Mayfield, he said you know, one of y'all, whether it be the turkey or the hunter, is going to walk to where the other one's last voice came from. And he put in. He had a lot more cuss words in it when he, when he said it. But, um, but when you, you know, a gobbler hangs up and you never hear from him again. What do you do?
Speaker 2:you walk up there and go look what happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just killed you with silence, yeah you know, if he was the hunter, you were the turkey. You're dead. You just got to flip the script and let him do it. You know, that turkey wants to go. Look and lay eyes where your feet were too. Yeah, if you don't move and you keep a gun in your hand, you're gonna shoot him. When he does it, yep, just like if that turkey had a gun and you walk up there go. I wonder what hung him up hit a bone.
Speaker 2:Your head off right there. You know one of y'all's getting killed with the silence right after that conversation I hadn't really ever thought of it that way, but it is a very good you know he's an eligible dude oh yeah, very much, uh, very much. So, um yeah, I mean that's nah, if I had a dollar for every time they have beat me and I was like you know, screw this, I'm walking up there yeah, and they're surely not there.
Speaker 1:And they might not be there, and a lot of times they aren't. Yeah at that point.
Speaker 2:You know this is two hours later or the next day or something like that. I'm okay with going over there just because it's ate at me and I'm like, is there a ditch and creek in here that I don't know about? And a lot of times there isn't, and you're like what possibly hung him up?
Speaker 1:guess how many times they've probably done the same thing. And you were at mcdonald's, yeah, exactly you had left.
Speaker 2:There's a many of turkeys that I have killed, based off where I had called earlier in the day. That's what like, like hunting a deer camp or something. You know that you got a road that you know you're just kind of midday picking you know kind of what I call it. You know, drop in there nine, ten o'clock in the morning and you're just walking around the perimeter of your property, or whatever it may be, throwing out some yelps and hail mary's hoping to hear one gobble.
Speaker 2:Well, I used to just make a loop and get back to the truck, make a big circle around the property. Well, now I'll go about halfway and then turn around and go back the other way and you kill more, way more turkeys that you didn't hear gobble at your sometimes second or third of turkeys that you didn't hear gobble at your sometimes second or third call location or the.
Speaker 2:This is what it took was you know, oh, the creek's up, we can't get across the back road and you know I ain't got nothing really else going on. I ain't heard nothing. I'm probably gonna call it a day halfway back to the truck flies out of the road and you can obviously see it's a long beard yeah that didn't gobble at you or was out of earshot of you. You know, that's just not necessarily the scenario we're trying to talk about.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I agree, and that's just a scenario, but I do agree to that to an extent and I'm torn on it, I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right, or I'm right and you're wrong, because I don't really have an answer.
Speaker 1:But I often get in my mind do I go back? I don't like going where I know a turkey just wasn't yeah, but he might be. So instead of for that reason, I don't like turning around for one coming up, you know, following you, because they don't really, if they're not going to gobble at the shock of you calling they're going to gobble at the.
Speaker 1:What in the heck? Where is it? Yeah, they're going to go. Where is it? Yeah, they're gonna gobble and want you to call back and it's gonna be behind you. You're off in a holler for no, like it's not. Not in response to a call, but it's a response to a call you did 15 minutes ago. Right, that makes sense. Yeah, I get too nervous about that. You know, walking backwards, you know, back in my footprints. I like to find a different route, some sort of another, to get back to where I was going, right, but in at that halftime, at that point where I would turn around, I'll stop. That's my halftime break.
Speaker 1:And let him get up on where I just was, and then he'll, you know gobble. And then you turn around, you know where he's at and you know he is there. Barely do I hear one just gobble randomly in the direction I was headed towards. It's always from behind me. It would almost pull one up and it's not him. And sometimes you will just you know you'll and he'll pow right there in that hollow and you're like done deal.
Speaker 2:Me and Logan did it last year it took nine minutes.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I still have like Ward's, like a cheeseburger wrapper in my hand. I had to like find something to do. We just through like eating lunch, and we're like eating on the way in, yeah, and I'm like, okay, all right. Um, you know we're about to kill a turkey or miss turkey or see a turkey, but it's about to be in three minutes, you know, and it took literally that amount of time, right um 1 pm in mississippi, and which is I don't, I don't hunt a lot of afternoons in mississippi, you know, I've hung them off the roost, and that's why you say usually, not always, or never, they end up Mississippi's, usually 30 to 1. Yeah, and you being number 31, it's a long line. You're in, yeah, but these were two 2-year-olds with no hands, mm-hmm. Wouldn't have known it, though, if we hadn't been in there. Yeah, that's a pretty perfect scenario for a 1 o'clock hunt.
Speaker 1:I'd probably never have it again. Yeah, but that was pretty sweet to happen then, right.
Speaker 2:And it's just kind of hitting back on what I just said. You know, I was saying like you know, if one does hang up, if you sit there 24 hours, you'll kill that turkey. Yeah, I believe you, I really think. In other words, you know, if he responds to you or hears you calling, he may be busy right now with those 30 hens, but when he gets out and runs out of them 30 hens he's going to go look for 31.
Speaker 2:And he's like hey you know 9 o'clock this morning, it's 3 o'clock in the afternoon now 9 o'clock this morning I did hear one up there.
Speaker 2:I got with that and I now know where she ended up'm gonna go right back where I heard that call. They're gonna remember it and they're gonna end up there, or, therefore, you know you, you, he did hang up. He didn't see you. You know, never got to where you think he could see you. He got hung up on a creek or something out of sight. Eventually that afternoon he's gonna eventually find a way to get across that you know it'll lead at him.
Speaker 1:Now I'll say this it happened in Kentucky last year A pagan hunting movie and she thinks I was trying to not let her kill us on purpose so I could kill it the next day. And I ain't going to say she's right or wrong on it, but I wasn't trying to hang the turkey up, but I was hitting the calls pretty consistently just to see what happened, getting some good observation in based on one of these podcasts on. And then she was like well, maybe we should move up top. I'm like, dang it, she's been paying attention. Yeah. So I was like well, we hang up. You know, we walk up top, make some foot noises. He's probably going to come in here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know, sure enough I'm joking, but seriously, he was hung up and I tried to. I went closer. He's on the edge of a property line, first off, and the people who were hunting, the people who owned the property next to us that he's actively I don't know if he's on theirs or I think there was a third property on the other side I can see him through binoculars every night. I can hear him real good, we're at the corner. Our only option is left. We had about 60 yards we could walk up and I walked all 60. I got in the triangle of it and called a couple times and then walked back.
Speaker 1:That was about as close as I could legally get to him, and if we owned the whole thing I'd have got on top of the mountain right above him Then it's called my first time and it would have been probably over and done with and plucked and had that gone um borax on him by the time we actually got to conversion with him. But it took a couple long, hard yelps on the box call to get him to know of our existence, you know he was a long way and then he hadn't moved to an edge and it was like a
Speaker 1:ditch went through a field, field, a mountain on the left side, with no reason for him to just walk down there. It's like he, you know, I wish he would have done Right, it had to cross some crap, yeah. But I mean it was kind of when I was like I can call all you want Peyton, but I don't think he's going to really do this. He's not going to. Just we ain't gonna persuade him to walk through nothing like this, just doing this. And and he was to an extent far enough that a if we move back, I don't know if he's going to be interested. Like he, we're moving the opposite direction sometimes if they're close and hung up, and he moved back 10 yards it can.
Speaker 1:It can flip that script real quick. But um, but I was thinking we, we go to the top, that that eliminates these ditches and stuff and he can walk up and then walk back down on our property and you know we'll, we'll be great, yeah, at that point you know, then we, we've got a new game to play.
Speaker 1:We just, you just got to get him out of his current game, if that makes sense. But um, but no, we we got up and I was like, all right, we're gonna get up here and this is. This was pretty steep. This was mountains in the hill. This is a sure enough one. Um, like grab on the limbs, yeah, as you're walking up um and shoot.
Speaker 1:He gobbled a couple times and I got him. You know I'd cut out him. He cut me off, cut him off, cut him off, he cut me off. I'm like, all right, we're gonna move, this move and we start going up because it's wide open in there. It's pretty woods Like. If he was within eyesight of us he would have sure seen us. If he was on the other side of the field, he would have seen us. If he just happened to be in a corner that was really congested in between that ditch stuff had a bunch of stuff growing up, I see I was comfortable moving, but any other place he would have definitely seen us walking up. Yeah, um, I don't care if it's 400 yards away, you know, um, but it was loud very dry leaves.
Speaker 1:I'm like she's walking up and I'm the whole time I'm looking back, looking back, looking back, like he's going right here. Yeah and sure, combined with not calling right now, and we had we sat there long enough and let him drift back down and then walk, it would not have been the same. It was the creating that. Hold on. This is my hail, mary. Take it or leave it, dude and then he responds. Respond doesn't move me, I'm gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I ain't waiting on you anymore and sure enough, we we got it was a little ditch not a ditch, but not a cave, but a big flat rock. I guess technically it could have been a little shelf underneath but nothing really to stand on or strut around. He wasn't probably going to walk up the way we walked up. There had to have been a smoother route he would have taken and he knew about that. I didn't know about First time I'd ever seen this place, but he did, he walked. I don't know how he got there, but he did get to about where our last call was, after hearing them footsteps and I was kind of loud with him. You know, oh yeah, two, two feet walking, two feet walking kind of stuff, and it, you know, we didn't, we didn't make it out of, we didn't make it halfway before he I was like he gobbled one time he's freaking moved and he, is he about to do what I thought he might do? And we did not do what I hope we would do in time. We did not get to the, the part where I wanted to get, yeah, um, I had the big camera and I ain't good with the little camera, which was a big camera, and um, I said you put your butt in that ditch looking thing and
Speaker 1:she had her knees up, I think above her shoulders like her knees were higher than her shoulders and she's's like just looking up like this. I was like, well, let him get close, and then I'm just going to have to I don't know what I'm going to do if I have to lift you up or what but I think she was able to like get her feet out from under her and almost lay down just flat Probably the most concealed we've ever been. Your jackets on, I think hers. Hers might have been the uh, hers was either original bottom land or else mine was and I was wearing the other one, which would have been the obsession when you're laying in the leaves, oh yeah you sure enough look like you know, I might would step on you, you know, even actively looking at the leaves.
Speaker 1:But no, that joker came in and got about 35 and started he did. He did that. He was communicating with drumming. We talked about that before, right, she didn't know that. She I don't know if she knew what was going on. She thought he was a rock because eventually I was like, are you?
Speaker 2:gonna shoot him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she knew he was coming, so. But I guess she was kind of worried about like am I doing? Am I sitting right? Am I not wanting to handicap herself and something that would be second nature to us? Probably her mind is kind of consumed somewhere else as I'm expecting him to walk out right there. And that's where he walked out. So I didn't say anything. I forgot she probably wasn't expecting that to happen.
Speaker 1:You know, um, and it was. He walked out 70 yards away and you know I need him to come a good 30 is 40 ish, you know to get even permissible. And he did and and I just did. I guess brain wouldn't think and relay that to her, so she's probably still kind of just looking out in the field where he gobbled you know, doesn't know.
Speaker 1:He's moving all around her and had no idea. And I'm like are you gonna shoot her? And she's like I'm like he's right, you know kind of in front of you, but he to her defense. He's doing that where he just kind of lifts his tail, fan up and then boom. Little half truck, you know just sitting there and he'd raise his head up just enough to look around like side eye, and he'd do it again.
Speaker 1:He was supposed to go to him, he was supposed to go to him right then and one wasn't coming and I really wish he would have hammered without, without her knowing that, because she's like, I thought I heard drumming. I'm like, yeah, you definitely heard drumming. I mean, we're in nothing but rock. Oh yeah, and this turkey is big, yeah, I mean like 23-pound turkey big, and he's drumming loud, yeah, and there's echoing everywhere. It's awesome and this is 70, and it's some of the louder I've heard. Yeah, some of the louder I've heard, yeah, blowing your drums up and freaking. And, of course, you're saying, like I thought I heard it. I'm like did you not appreciate that experience right there? That was awesome.
Speaker 2:You know more like in time, you learn to appreciate those a lot, because that's really really cool exactly um, but now he finally, I think she eventually said like, where is he like in comparison to that rock or something?
Speaker 1:I'm like he is the rock there. Ain't a rock down there, that right there, yeah, that's him. He's just being very, very, very still yeah and drumming just without moving. Really no strut. No, you know nothing going on, he's just his feet ain't budged and that's probably what he was doing in that field the whole time. It just took us to stop calling, which I tried. Sounds and stuff, all right without.
Speaker 1:Without moving. It was just I didn't want to have to move her camera and and, and it being a wide open, you know and and bust him out into the neighbors actively hunting him on the other side too. So we bust him.
Speaker 1:He's dead for tomorrow too. So I'm I'm trying to really play several different cards right, and no calls. After that, zero calls, it was just the and it walked upward. So he came to you know where he could see upward and sure enough, I think we didn't do anything to direct him closer. I think he just probably they can hear that well knew which direction we went and he started kind of veering left a little bit, which was she was on my left and was able to pop him pretty good. Once he moved, everything made sense. It was just she could not make out that turkey gobbled right there a minute ago.
Speaker 2:Why? Why would he even be here, you?
Speaker 1:know it's just one of them things that you do it long enough, you know you learn what to expect it and and you know a lot of stuff is is. You know it's kind of figuring that out before he's able to. There's a cut over something. He probably hang up on the edge of it. You know, right, and knowing what you can get away with a lot of, there's a lot of folks I know I could have fun with and like not like saying her, but I'm saying anyone who hasn't hunted them a ton doesn't know what they can get away with and would have never thought about moving with a turkey within 100. You know he wasn't within 100, he's probably 150. At the time we moved right um, which I mean I could see him through binoculars. I just knew his line of sight, which direction I could walk in him not see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's several directions we could have walked or did and he would have definitely seen yeah, I mean, I can think of a few scenarios of of you know, hunting with somebody that didn't know what we get away with, and then it's kind of like all right, you know it don't matter who shoots at this point, yeah sit down, you know almost like I know what I can get away with, but I can't coach you through it, like at this moment. Yeah, at this, do you like? You look at him. You say do we want to leave with the bird, or?
Speaker 1:do we want to hunt him tomorrow? And if I bump him it's on me and I don't know. You know 100 on me, but I think I know what to do right here and I can't explain it right, and him.
Speaker 2:It's on me and not on us. It's on me, you know, 100% on me. But I think I know what to do right here and I can't explain it to you.
Speaker 2:Right, and it's worked out where it's just you know, hey, you know, slip up here, don't, don't, don't, don't or use a big oak tree, like I've had to. I remember one. I've got some videos on my phone or, but, like I said, it was like before we were filming filming really probably the first one I filmed that I ended up actually killing a turkey, and you can see how I move up, up, up. A bird was hung up on an old fence line that was from the 30s in there just two strands of barbed wire or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when we had permission on. I mean it's one piece of property. It's like an old catch pin or something on this property? Yeah, and like just knowing my friend taylor was with me. You know she's turkey hunted like once at this time.
Speaker 1:So like it was like obviously like hang tight, let me run up here do that.
Speaker 2:She wasn't. She didn't have a gun, she didn't want to shoot she wasn't. She was scared to shoot one. She was just like. I just want to sit around with you oh great friend to have because this is on her property. Anyways, whatever Ended up, you can see in the video I cut up crawling, you know slow.
Speaker 2:But I'm pretty consistent with my steps. Just sound like a hen. I'd been way laying on this bird, but he wouldn't come across it, kind of before I figured some things out. This is an early scenario, when I first started moving on turkeys instead of sitting on one tree till I either left with him or didn't.
Speaker 2:And, um, you see me cut up there about 40 yards because he's out there 120 probably and he ain't coming any closer and I get about 40 yards up, cut to the left, I'll just sit there and wait on him to gobble. Once he gobbles and I know I can see further than he is or I can see less distance than he gobbles at.
Speaker 2:I guess you'd say he's out of my sight path. I know he can't see me. I cut to the left getting a big brush top call a few more times and it's, it's. I mean he cuts up that fence line or he. He's like I'm coming to the fence line now. He was in there about 60 yards on the other side of the fence, but he wouldn't. He kept. He kept drifting up and drifting back and back. I think we missed him that morning or spooked him bad or something. Same area, um, something of that nature. But you know, until I got in that treetop, yeah, and called he wasn't doing that extra 30 yard shift you know, and he did perfect, you know, and I shot him at 26 steps probably you know, and it's just moving.
Speaker 2:Knowing when to move and how to move where you can't be seen is the biggest thing and I've moved a lot of times.
Speaker 1:Take advantage of what nature's giving you wind is a big one, right, if he's hung up and it's windy, don't move until the wind blows, but then move, you know, move where you're very, you know, kind of muffled. You know it's hard to tell or call, only in the muffling, you know, and I have used gobbles to get him fired up and then expect him to do the whole wow, you know, over and over again.
Speaker 1:And then only in those times do you call two, three, note yelps or just you know, you know something like that, where he knows you did, but he doesn't know where, and you kind of confused him on that, or he and we're they're gonna load flying airplane and a flight academy right down the road had had a whole chapter on that and it'll work, but using what they're doing to kind of create this clarity kind of dilemma you know anything like that will get them to change where they're at.
Speaker 1:They might get hung up again or something else, but it'll at least get them out of that one, out of that bind, or allow you to get closer, or allow you to do this, or sometimes, if you can pick the the path of least resistance, if you can. Just you know moral of the story. If you can make it easy for him to get to you, do it. Yeah, by all means, just get to where it's an easier route. If he's hung up, it's a difficult route, it's a route that doesn't make sense or it's an unsafe route. That's the only reason he would just not walk. They can, can walk A lot of times when they're just hanging them up. They can walk over around through and hopscotch through.
Speaker 2:It's not a highway.
Speaker 1:It's a freaking twig. It's just all of a sudden it goes down a little bit. And they don't want to go down a little bit, they want to stay on the highest perch. But if that perch runs parallel all the way for 200 yards and you can get up 200 yards and get on it, he'll walk left. He just won't walk the direction you're at. You're just bound and determined to make him walk the direction you're at. Sometimes you just got to make that, that angle a little different and yeah, oh, I'm cool with that, I'll walk that. Drop off the back side of the ridge move down.
Speaker 2:pop back up on the ridge 50 yards down, or something like that. Get a little higher than him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, get higher you might sacrifice distance to him. You can be 80 yards and below him, or the other option is to be 150 yards and above him, but in a spot where he can't see unless he walks within 45. To look up that hill or whatever. Go back, get in the truck, drink some water, take a nap, I don't care, you just find a way to eventually get up there without bumping him. And you got a shot.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Better than what you had. And um, not to confuse everybody, the other officer just waited out. Yeah, He'll probably find a way. He'll around to you. You're just gonna think he left and he's really just taking a very long route.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's one of those. Wait on him. Keep your mask up. Yeah, don't. If you got a mouth call in your mouth, take it out. Yeah, he will. She will show up about 45 yards to your left and you're not gonna be able to like stop him. Yeah, put your calls up, unload your gun, something like that. Yeah, he's coming. That's the murphy's law.
Speaker 1:Yep, I've done a lot of superstitious stuff to try to fake into yeah I'll trick these wild, tricky voodoo guys that I'm leaving and I'm really not put you put your gun in your lap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, get it just out of arm's reach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, put a put your legs over your gun and he'll walk up 25 and sit there strutting.
Speaker 2:You're not gonna be able to grab your gun there's been three or four instances I've like that that bird me and seals killed in the creek or whatever that day. Yeah, and I didn't ever see him. I was, I had to sit on my gun to keep it from falling into the creek.
Speaker 2:I remember that that day and um, I remember y'all looking at me one time and our seals may have, and he's like watch to your left because like I could see the left side and I don't think seals could see the turkey and you could see the turkey yeah, I'm always chasing about to pop him right here, the way it was bouncing off that wall in the creek with us yeah, you were thinking the opposite.
Speaker 1:We didn't.
Speaker 2:I didn't know where he was at and seals was thinking he was going left I was thinking he's across the creek and you're looking at him the whole time and y'all, we just can't talk to each other um, but it was one of those scenarios. She was like be ready on the left in case he pops up over there, and I'm like I'm not, oh yeah, that ain't happening, I mean I've got. Came back, he turned around, he did yeah I mean, he did hook around and go left, didn't he?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, he did. I mean I thought you're about to shoot him. Yeah, I'm thinking like why are shooting I? Think I probably relayed the seals to tell you Right, shoot him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and when he gets over there, chase needs to turn around and shoot him when he comes up on the other side. Yeah, One leg my hand and one leg's holding the camera to keep from falling. In went, oh yeah he's in a bind, yeah you ain't yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he might have come back around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that worked out, that was a hard bird to hunt never I think we did a whole episode on that bird, didn't we probably two years?
Speaker 1:ago, three years ago, and he was. He was tough. I ain't gonna lie to you. That was that wing. I was worn out.
Speaker 2:oh, I think we all were, we like shot turkey and we all just were like I got to sit down here.
Speaker 1:Good job yeah.
Speaker 2:Finally.
Speaker 1:Who's opening him out? We?
Speaker 2:didn't even talk for 10 minutes. Kind of deal on. It Wasn't a reflection thing.
Speaker 1:It was a I can't do much right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to lay down for a minute before we try and carry this thing back to the truck, because we ain't got enough whatever energy juice juice left in the tank.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but good problem to have right about now. I can tell you that I wish I was too tired of hunting turkeys oh yeah, um, but it won't be long now. So, uh, gears are turning, my that juice is starting to replenish itself. I guess you'd say, um, as we get ready, it ain't gonna going to be too too much longer. But, we'll wrap this one up and we'll continue on to something else next week and might really have a guest, I don't know, yeah, who?
Speaker 1:knows Y'all remind me to get one, but anyway I want to remind y'all about the new hats. Got six new ones up on the website Going to have those at NWTF convention, along with the new special edition combination copy of Ballad of a Turkey Hunter and Indie Giving. Spring Morning will be there. We've got a few more details going to be pumping out on social media, probably before the next podcast, so you all will be aware of the release dates, officially and other than that, the NWTF convention coming up February 13th through 16th in Nashville, tennessee. We will see you there. We're going to have some cool stuff there, trust me. Yep, the National Tennessee. We will see you there.
Speaker 1:we're going to have some cool stuff there trust me and that Mossy Oak Turkey Tailgate and Callmakers showcase March 8th in West Point. Mississippi will be there and I look forward to talking turkey for the next five months something like that I don't know all the way through June yeah, five or six anyway, appreciate y'all listening, appreciate all the likes, shares and all that good stuff. Might do a giveaway next week. Yeah, just uh we'll let y'all know.
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