The Spring Legion Podcast
Welcome to a year-round discussion on the wild turkey and those who hunt them. Hosted by Hunter Farrior, founder of Spring Legion and author of Ballad of a Turkey Hunter, the weekly podcast is geared for all outdoor communities and dives deeper than the usual tactics and calling tips. Holding true to the brand, topics are built upon respecting the heritage and challenges of hunting, with a never-ending appreciation for all that the spring season provides. Enjoy insight from special guests like Dave Owens of Pinhoti Project, Cuz Strickland of Mossy Oak, our friends at NWTF and Muscadine Bloodline, and so many more widely known for their impact in the turkey hunting community, as well as the deer, duck, and waterfowl realm, who exhibit the obsession of which only a real turkey hunter may truly understand. Thanks for listening.
The Spring Legion Podcast
Public Land Turkeys - Scouting, Hunting, and Understanding Them + 1 Very Wild MS Opener
Today, we weave through the shared excitement and anxiety that comes with hunting turkeys on public land. We recount the careful preparations required, and the significance of being able to adapt strategies on the fly. Plus, we detail a scenario in which we have all found ourselves, at some point - when a wise old gobbler sneaks in silently, 35 yards behind your left shoulder, and shakes the bark off the trees with a prominent gobble.
There's a unique tension and decision-making process when another hunter's presence forces a change in plans, or when a turkey approaches silently, demanding the utmost patience and composure.
Our conversation touches on the moments of unexpected luck, like finding other hunters in your spot before daybreak, only to realize that it could turn into an advantage.
The podcast episode concludes by highlighting the intricacies of Hunter's strategy for finding hard-to-reach turkeys on public land. We share the importance of scouting, preparation, and understanding turkey behavior, which can often seem counterintuitive.
The narratives shared in this episode encapsulate the ethos of public land turkey hunting: the satisfaction of a successful hunt, months after the real effort took place.
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Speaker 2:All right, what's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the spring week podcast. My name is our fair here, and today I'm with you. Today I'm with you with my brother, chase, who is here. We're Sealsless, so to speak. Some of these episodes we're going to kind of get into some opportune recording times that we're going to kind of take advantage of, and aligning three schedules is a lot more difficult than aligning two schedules. So Chase was able to join me today and we're going to dive into a couple of stories and a couple of um, I wouldn't call it just teachings, but stuff we've learned, so to speak, as far as in the realm of public land, turkey hunting. So that's a fun topic to talk about.
Speaker 2:Public land turkey hunting is. It's an event in itself. I guess you would say I don't. There's difference in public and private and at the end of the day, a turkey's a turkey and they, they're very smart, regardless of where you hunt them or how you hunt them.
Speaker 2:I think, and I'll be the first to say, some of the easiest turkey hunts I've been on are the smoothest, so to say. None of them are easy, but the smoothest turkey hunts I've been on I've been on public land, and some of the most difficult birds I've ever hunted have been on private land. Generally that's not the case, though, just because you know, it's kind of I would call it an abnormality to say you just strike out and just go to wax and go to wax and mull some public land, especially in the south, where they are hunted day in, day out for at least the length of the season and some but some of the private land there's a, there's some, some downfalls to a closed gates and a lot of folks trying to hunt the same three turkeys too. So we're going to dive in a little bit of scouting, a little bit of finding them and a little bit of a really cool story that I'm really looking forward to. Diving into.
Speaker 2:A chase, because this was the first episode, so to speak. This was the first video we put on the YouTube channel of a national hunt that we filmed with the intentions of putting it on there, and it happened to really capture what spring legion is all about, what it was created for, the stuff that's not always seen and is something that's very hard to illustrate without exactly what Chase was able to illustrate. What was it? Gopro maybe?
Speaker 3:Just that little camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a little, there's a Sony.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chase's got a little stick up camera he's taught me into getting one kind of like it. It really the moments of a turkey slipping in on you quietly. It doesn't have a bunch of footage of him coming in strutting and looking all pretty, which we love and would not pass up in the heartbeat More times than not hunting them down here, especially hunting them on some public land. They're going to slip in without you knowing it. They're not going to act anything traditional at all. They're going to throw a wrench at every chance they get and they're going to hit you with nothing but curveballs.
Speaker 2:And then they kind of slip in, pulling in around on the end and come around to the side that you're least expecting and hammer 35 yards behind you. That's what gets you heart racing, or mind at least, and I'm sure the same for yours. I would much rather that than watching one strut through an open field and you know their distance, you know poppin' sheen and all kinds of like you know shine coming off of him and gobbling all the way in. I live for the suspenseful moments of not knowing what's about to happen. That's what just what kind of? Makes me tick, I guess in the springtime I get it.
Speaker 2:Other folks, you know, are differently wired and would rather watch one come in and strut, and some will run them come in and beat up a decoy and some, would you know, rather just deer hunt them and shoot them. You know, appreciate the outdoors and wait, and one walks up and walks up. If not, it's still a good hunt. I mean, ain't got nothing against any of those. I would much rather kind of duke it out with him and then pull the fast one on me, and you know that's what just makes my nerves get up. You know it's a feeling that's kind of hard to explain, but I know most of y'all know what we're talking about. But we'll dive into that. If you want to just kind of dive into the story, first Chase and then towards the end of the episode, I'll chip in. I've got plenty of public land stories.
Speaker 3:We ain't going to dive into all of them, but Well, I mean, first off, this year was one of the first years of our little piece of private didn't have a lot of turkeys on it, or not necessarily a lot of turkeys.
Speaker 3:That never has a lot of turkeys. We may have one, we may have one of the neighbors and may have one in the area, but that's about it. So, living up here, you know, an hour away from that, from that place, you know I kind of wanted to venture out to some public and, you know, try some new things because, as you know as well as a lot of people know, I don't, I hadn't hunted a lot of public in my day Because I've been a weekend hunter and you know I'd attempted it two or three times and got me to the gate and you know, kind of wrote it off for a little while and I'd hunted a lot with other people on public ground, but not solo hunts. You know, kind of was a little nervous of it, I guess a little little timid of public land by myself and which a lot of folks are.
Speaker 3:Right, right so.
Speaker 2:I was, at least when I was first.
Speaker 3:Yes, I mean, but I mean it turned out it was well worth it and the bulletin going you know kind of thing. But the only times I've hunted public or not the only times, but majority of the times I'd hunted public was with you out of state and whatnot. And to jump into a Mississippi block of public it was. It was pretty nerve wracking for me at first but I, you know, I quit my day job. I had time on my hands. You know I'd set aside to do this this year pretty hard and so after NWTF every morning just about maybe missed four mornings between what was that February 20th?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And the opener. I went to this piece of it just every morning almost, and 90% of the time never got a truck just or you know, off the black top, stayed at a distance where I could hear to see if one gobbled, and if I heard one gobble I went home. If I didn't hear one gobble I went to another area and who to fire? Six times most morning I didn't hear one gobble.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But the first day I went I heard one gobble, which was February 21st or second, you told me to told me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like oh goodness, oh well, okay, this is early for them, yeah, but I might have heard one or two and a lot of different mourners listening that early and especially with any kind of purpose in the gobble. But I'm like I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 3:And I mean he hammered for 20 minutes. So I was like this is good. So I think that kind of calm and nerves Excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I was. I was excited from being in Nashville at NWTF and, like you know, had the full kickstart had happened and it was just like I wasn't even trying to go listen every morning. But I would wake up instantly at 445 and just knew I could get there for a day, like you know. I know that it's gonna. You know I'm going to be aggravated If I wake up, if I got rolled back over and wake up at 9 or 10, you know I'm going to be aggravated with myself. So, you know, kickstarted my day with that just about every day, except for a few, and really about I don't know couple weeks. Not couple weeks, it wasn't, but what? Three or four weeks in between there and opener probably. What would you say?
Speaker 2:Three weeks, 3 and a half four.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so about week two I stopped hearing gobbles. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't pushing in there, I wasn't bumping on. Some other people may have been, I don't know, coming in from other areas or later in the day, I don't know, but I never saw another person, so that made me feel a lot better.
Speaker 3:You know no one else has hit this back corner or whatever the section I'm on, what blah, blah, blah. So I felt good about it. Didn't even really rush to a gate, didn't get there at 2am, nothing like that, got there right at daylight. I didn't get there right at daylight, but ended up getting there right at daylight open morning. But well, let me back pedal a little bit. I had scouted a lot on foot in the evenings also on both these places. Tip back in there.
Speaker 3:Just slipping when, when turkeys ain't really up to nothing kind of deal and you know had seen a track or two here and there and never really found just hardcore sign like there's a mess of turkeys in this place. But I knew there was one goblin in February and had heard him on one side of the road versus the other side of the road a few times and had kind of as far as prettiness goes, I'd found another spot away from all this and or across the road. I mean it was closed but across the road so open, the morning rolls around. You know I get out there 30 minutes for daylight. Like you know, I risked it all.
Speaker 2:I guess you know yeah.
Speaker 3:And I meant to get out there earlier but just just didn't and it's kind of.
Speaker 3:It's kind of Good that it worked out that way, you know because I got there, I pulled in the gate or what are up to the gate and I Was starting to get my stuff together. Of course it's not together at all, as it normally is on every day we go hunting. But you got to find a battery, you got to find a you know a shell, you got to find something that you and the first one of the years always just Scrambled scramble.
Speaker 3:Yes, because they ain't nothing in its usual spot. It ain't found its usual spot yet it doesn't have a usual spot, so it's all piled up in the back seat. So I'm going through my stuff and I kind of glance down the road and I see a dome light or not a dome light up Inside. I guess it's don't like cargo light, whatever cargo? I don't know and inside lighting your truck. Yeah click on and I was like that.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 3:glowing down there, somebody definitely door Mm-hmm. And so I'm like dang it, you know there. Why are they not parked at the gate? There's, you know, a few gates right here on this triple road that you could park on, and they don't need any gates. I just pulled off the side, and I mean pulled off the side. They're like up against the fence, like pulled off side, like you could fit two more trucks between them and the black top, like and around the curve from Everything, and I'm like what you?
Speaker 2:know it, teach their own.
Speaker 3:But like what the heck. So like I wanted to walk down, I'm. I walked down there just to see if they were hunting. You know, I didn't know if it was some ages. Yeah pulled over, broke down. I don't want to do is leave and Right and I walked down there and it was some younger kids that they were. They were leaving for the beach at 830.
Speaker 3:And I'm like awesome great, all right, you know, that's cool, whatever. Well, where y'all go, you know what side of the road y'all going on was? All I asked, and they were now generous. They kind of said, well, we're gonna go on this side, we're gonna hit this corner of the place or whatever you know. They kind of showed me a pen of where they'd like to go and I'll be dog. So what? Exactly where I wanted to go. And so I was like, well, you know, that's fine, just. And they said, well, you know, we're gonna leave by 830. So, you know, you, welcome to come on over here, you know my goodness you know it is what it is, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 3:I ain't gonna get in your way. I'm just gonna tip across the road and, you know, go on this other side it's, you know, public to. I might as well just give it a shot. You know, I know telling. And so I was kind of almost Scram one a little bit more, but almost bummed out a little bit at the same time, like I knew this Junk was gonna happen and blah, blah, blah, and so got, you know, a little discouraged and I was like you know I'm gonna have a rough year. This is how it's gonna kick off, this is this is how it's gonna be. And and you know, really just kind of thought about a lot there for a moment and I actually didn't get out and till it started cracking Daylight, I got back in my truck for a minute and, you know, got everything together and took my time from then on out.
Speaker 2:I wasn't rushing nothing.
Speaker 3:I ain't got nothing to rush to and keep in mind that area they had they were going to. I hadn't heard of Turkey Goblin two weeks back there yeah.
Speaker 2:So like I wasn't like thinking on something from a while back, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3:That's the last goblah I'd heard was two weeks prior to this, and so I'm thinking, you know, with you know, maybe there's a turkey right there, maybe there's not at this point point, I was playing a real game of chance at this. You know, spot, and Just once I heard one bird gobble up to stay there. I didn't keep mobile, and that's something I learned is you know, you got to keep mobile a lot more. So this year I'm going to do it with a lot more keep mobile.
Speaker 2:Yeah, keep moving and keep, not a race to get to him. But you know you got to understand it.
Speaker 3:He will move yeah he moves. February 25th.
Speaker 3:Yeah you know opener, he's gonna move some, but anyway. So you know I get all my stuff together finally eventually. You know figure out how I'm gonna hook up cameras and things like that, because that's a new ball. You know ballgame in itself and you know trying to double check everything, make sure everything's good, and start tipping down the little login path or whatever for their trail. And I don't know. I get in there a couple hundred yards and I remember kind of sitting there and just stopping for a second and I finally who I'm like or nothing you know, kind of like.
Speaker 3:I figured that right, and then Make it another 50 or 60 yards, I guess. And that's just how I hunt a lot, I mean, I'm just hunting normal at this point it's open or you know they're gonna. I'm just. I talked to you a long time not for trying to figure out a game plan, and then everything went to.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah you know that works. I whatever you want to call it all at once, you know. So I'm like this is I'm gonna have to scratch off everything on the list of expected and go with Just turkey on it. And so I just kept slipping, you know, 50 yards at a time, with hoot and see, and I finally hooted and I was like, hmm, that sounded kind of like one. And then I, you know, stayed still for a second, hit it one more time and, sure enough, he turned on that lamb towards me at that point or something, and I was like that was 100% a gobble, like we were in a ball game. We got a turkey goblin and, um, I remember going down. You know, at that point I'm like all right, it's on.
Speaker 3:So I hear one, that one was kind of far off, and then so on and so forth. It's in the video. Pretty decent, I think, majority, all this is gonna be in the video. But Hoot again and I hear a second bird, closer Maybe. I heard the first bird, the closer bird first and then heard the further one, but it was two circuits. I'm like heck, yeah, you know, this one don't pan out. I got a second, my backup. I'm in between two or something like that.
Speaker 3:Like I got, I'm in a good spot, I feel confident, um, but right when I went to turn up a road to like cut some distance on him, I stopped and hoot one more time and he gobbles, and then I hear a single hoot. Just oh, I'm like that didn't necessarily sound like an owl. Yeah, somebody, I got company, I think so. I I totally re-planned my map and Walk back down the road a couple hundred yards and dive in and you know, I, I just I wasn't a hundred percent of somebody else, but I felt like it. There was a chance that. What an owl. And it really made me rethink. I was about to walk down an open I don't know if you can it looked like a pipe.
Speaker 3:I'm, but it's just a little full of trail.
Speaker 1:But, like.
Speaker 3:I mean it's wide and I would a hundred percent gotten busted if I would have now knowing where that turkey was and the game plan I had, I would a hundred percent bust him off the lamb and all this stuff.
Speaker 3:So Thank goodness I heard that whatever questionable owl hoot, um, and so I start slipping through the woods, you know, two, two to three steps at a time. Finally, I can tell where that turkey is. I can tell there's another bird gobble maybe four times the whole time, and in my mind One of them is a dominant bird. One of them's, you know, a fired up young. One of them's either an old bird by himself, and the other one's a young bird with all the hands, or, you know, the boss hog, whatever you want to call it, and or the one that's further away it's like a jake or something's been getting his butt whipped or a less dominant bird, I assume, because I heard some hands at that point.
Speaker 3:All that you know that's just me thinking things that you're going? I don't know that by any means, but that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, do where do I need to set up from you know, to possibly, if this one won't work, I can get up and move to that one without bumping the other ones. You know, all these things are running through my head and, um, I ended up busting a hen off the lamb I'm assuming it was a hen, a turkey off the lamb and.
Speaker 3:I'm like, uh, oh, we and we're gonna pick and in buying and, um, really, stop for a second listen. That got that turkey gobble. And I'm like he's a lot closer than I think he is. It's like I need to sit down. So I slip up to the next tree and and plop down and I'm not in the best spot, I'm just. I got pal Palmetto's out there about 50 yards. He can see me. I can't see him. You know, pass there to see what he's doing.
Speaker 3:Um, I'm trying to think, let's see it. I think a hen pitches down 20 yards from me, like real close, right beside me. I'd set up right beside a group of hens and I'm assuming that's his hens. You know he knew they were there. So I'm like this may work out. Well. Of course they instantly run directly at him. You know, away from me, they didn't spook, they just went straight to him and I'm like, all right, this is going to be tougher than I'd like. You know, it's going to be a real ball game here. And he's out there, I don't know 150 yards maybe, gobbling on them. I can tell he hits the ground and he got a lot. I mean, you've seen the video right, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:Especially the ending part. I don't know much from the beginning.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean he, he gobbled a lot, I you know, over called a lot, per usual, and I just like to lay on. Oh, I call, I call a lot and there's a lot of times that like that's something I've learned with his videos is like I've learned how much I do call because I just blank out and I'm just you know, I'll go after it.
Speaker 2:But it works certain ways.
Speaker 3:I hunt, yeah, and I, you know I alter my hunts around that kind of hunt differently than you do, and we've hit on that one time, you know a few times before and you know I like to, I like to just be a lot more vocal with them and sometimes it works, sometimes it it ruins the morning you know, but it all depends on the third. He has all the bulls down to either way.
Speaker 2:You never know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, um, very responsible turkey. He ended up coming in about 50. You know, I called a few lenses of him through some palmetto's and stuff and I don't remember what it was, but I got a feeling there was one, something behind me, like I'd heard something walking or just, you know, felt like I heard something was convincing myself. I didn't, you know, couldn't turn around because those birds are 50 yards in front of me and I know they can see me and I can't see them. You know, at times, and I'm steadily calling, I should have just shut up there and something changed with the hens that he was with and one of them sprinted directly at me and it was right after I thought I'd heard something behind me.
Speaker 3:No, I heard one putt or club behind me just one time, and I still don't know what that turkey was, because I mean obviously couldn't turn around. It was real close behind me and it was weird because those hens that were with that other lawn beard instantly single file line ran to me and just started popping. You know, two of them popped out of the palmetto's, 15 yards from me, about to run me over, and they saw me. I mean, just because I was in their face. I mean there wasn't no hiding from that one you know.
Speaker 3:And so they ventured off and that gobbler went with them, shut up. He knew something was up the way. The hens ran back to him or whatever. And you know I'm sitting there and I'm really bummed at this point because that bird went silent. I don't know if he saw me too, if the hens convinced him, I'm sure the hens reacting to seeing me. Obviously he knew what was up and he went silent.
Speaker 3:But you know, looking back on it, there's some other thoughts that I'll hit them in it. But you know, as the video shows, I turn it to myself and I'm sitting there just kind of running through. What the heck do I do now? Kind of deal, I'm looking at my apps, I'm trying to think where that other turkey was, you know, trying to think back the last time I heard him and where he might have been from where I'm sitting now versus where I've heard him last or whatever it may have been, because once I sat down I think he would have gone one more time Maybe if that he'd only go about three or four times that whole morning. So like I didn't have a good pin on him or where he was and I had not scouted this side very much. I'd scouted those other road, you know, prior to this, so I didn't really know what was, what was past where I was, because that was about as far as I'd ever dipped in there on my afternoon walks or whatever that I did once on the side of the road or this side of the road. I'm sitting there trying to figure it out and blah, blah, blah and everything like that's going on and it's funny because you know I got my mask halfway down and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:There was someone, that that questionable, who came to life and cut real hard on a box call or something. But I mean props to that guy because he sounded good, because I was like I don't know if that's a person or a turkey, but the volume of it I was like that's gotta be a person trying to just strike one up back again. And I say in the video, you know I see the person or I can't tell if that's a hen or a person about that time I mean right there on me and I mean you can see it makes me jump. I mean it totally surprised me to the max and like that's, that's one of them feelings. You know, you don't, you don't understand it, till this happened to you at all, you know. So I didn't hear him drumming, I didn't hear footstep, I didn't hear yelp, I didn't hear nothing, I just full blown gobble in my ear.
Speaker 2:Many turkeys are in the world there. Definitely ain't one behind me right now.
Speaker 3:Not a chance. And just yeah, it hit me. And I look over my left shoulder he's. I took me a little off finding he was. He was out there 35 yards, but it's thick behind me, a little bit thicker than it was in front of me. So I'm like you know where is this turkey with me when they go that close to you, you know, and behind you, you don't know if he's over your right shoulder right shoulder what, I think.
Speaker 2:I hit him that no long ago. One gobble, closed and unexpected, and I almost had to rethink in my mind Did I hear a gobble or did I just make that like I can't even like pinpoint a side of my body that it came from? At this point you know it happened again, It'll be good. Yeah, I'll be having my ears out kind of listening, but I mean just going off that solo one you try to replay in your mind. You're like huh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, did that really happen, or am I just?
Speaker 2:where? Where did it come from? If it did, yeah, did it scare me? Or is it actually that close or right, because then you don't know where to look or where to turn? Oh no, it's a it's a predicament.
Speaker 3:I'll say the least, yeah.
Speaker 2:Your heart's racing 90 to nothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was. It was one of those, you know, feel like he's breathing down your neck kind of situations and you don't know what to do, and so I don't remember if my gun was in my lap at one point it was, it may have been halfway on my shoulder, but I had to figure all that out real quick. And I'm like you know, do I try and move a, can you know? And at this point I thought about camera for a second, like sorry, you know, that's all. I thought about it for about a half a second I went it is what it is, yeah.
Speaker 3:It'll be how it is and finally located the bird. You know what felt like 10 minutes later, but was about a minute later Because you just kind of reached up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just reached over your shoulder.
Speaker 3:He picked right I guess he was definitely a little further behind when I said. Yeah, he was behind me, to my over my left shoulder which is great, thank God. Yeah, thank goodness he wasn't over my right shoulder because I'm right handed. That that would have been a real you know predicament.
Speaker 2:Yeah, situation.
Speaker 3:You really in one when you can't turn. But yeah, I think I helped a few times just get him to kind of slow down. He was kind of on minding his own business walking around. He had finally slipped up there enough to that he should be here and he hadn't heard me call in a while and when he heard that other turkey call I guess he thought that was me or whatever or one of the turkeys that was in that area and hammered and you know I helped a few times about, didn't pay me attention Like he was, just like, I'm just making sure you're there.
Speaker 3:So over here and you know, saw an opportunity, shot him and couldn't believe it. Yeah, any means. I mean it's like still like seven, 30 that morning. It had just broke the sun, the sun had just broke the clouds a little bit and I was like man, ain't no way this just happened like that. So I mean it was one of the most memorable like weirdly memorable hunts I've had, just because it it all went exactly how you could ever imagine wanting one to go, you know, just from scaring you, just from the not knowing what you're about to do. And then I mean luck changing on a dime is all in one second.
Speaker 3:Everything changed, Just most on a roller coaster. I guess you know which is how most of them are.
Speaker 2:It's amazing fun. Yeah, but like I said, I always say you know the ties going to turn, you know to the good end for the bad. But when things ain't going your way, I'm a little more optimistic. Or I mean optimistic Because the ties going to turn when, when stuff's not going great, when it's not going your way in the turkey, voodoo is all up on you, right? You just got to be there when it turns.
Speaker 3:If you're there when it turns, you're good.
Speaker 2:The folks who pack up and leave and get pissed off and walk out and go home. That turkey would have probably been there. You know the 30 minutes after your last call, regardless, you just been halfway to.
Speaker 3:Bucky's or somewhere Right Right.
Speaker 2:So our town's not big enough to have a Bucky's.
Speaker 3:We don't have a Bucky's. I was doing Georgia at the time. Yeah, you're in Georgia.
Speaker 2:Calhoun had a Bucky's with big shots.
Speaker 3:I forgot you had a Bucky's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I only went twice yeah. I've only been to one one time I think, anyway, it was one too many, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's cool, but not that cool to me. Anyways, I'm more of a Casey's guy. I like me some Casey's. Casey's is the way to go, and we don't have those down here at all. We used to Really.
Speaker 2:Under nine. No, no, no, sorry.
Speaker 3:Georgia did. Those were the Stuckeys. Yeah, we had Stuckeys.
Speaker 2:I ain't this in Stuckeys either. I know there's a Stuckey down in Forty-Nine in Hatchburg and he's been wanting a Gaulman off of.
Speaker 3:He got tore down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know one of them did.
Speaker 3:Like last year? Yeah, he got demolished, I thought it did Anyway, anyway. Anyway, it's our gas station ramp or not ramp.
Speaker 2:But back to Just being there with the tide turns, and I like because you called me Right. I didn't answer. I was done, George. I was probably asleep or feeding the baby or something. Yeah or yeah. I don't think I'd be working on this. It's probably Saturday, no.
Speaker 3:Wednesday let's see what day we go to the Delta. We went. I think it was a Wednesday or Thursday. Yeah, it was open today, but I don't remember if it was Wednesday or Thursday.
Speaker 2:I don't know, yeah, but I had a missed call from me and I think you see me a picture, you see me a text and hadn't followed through on there or something. So whenever I looked at my phone, whether I woke up or whether I got a break from doing whatever I was doing, I remember looking at it and it had been a little while since you sent in Snapchat maybe text picture of some kind, but it was about folks beating you to your spot and I was like you know? You know I just didn't want that to happen because I knew that was probably going to happen soon. But I know you were just getting into it and I try to kind of ease your mind a little bit, like that don't happen every time. You know you just got to have some plan B's and C's and all the way to G's and you'll be alright, and I had plan A and L's, but don't, but don't think on plan A.
Speaker 2:Paul means yeah.
Speaker 3:And that that's all I was. I didn't come up with a plan B.
Speaker 2:I'm like all right, he's just, he's listening to plan A a lot. But you know, I guess he's pretty confident. Nobody else knows about this spot off the black top with a gate, yeah, but so that happened. I was kind of like I was bummed because I didn't know at that time. You killed one.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And then I wanted to find out and I was. I was like no way, cause I didn't. I thought maybe you went somewhere. Somebody said well, come on my place. Yeah, buddy, I didn't think you had, you know, branched off and went and found another one. But yeah, man, you didn't hear a shot across the road.
Speaker 3:No, no, no boys were gone by the time I got there and I was there before 830. So they must have called it quits real early and it was funny. I don't know if them boys were supposed to be there or not, cause when, I walked up to them.
Speaker 3:It's just, it's just you. I'm like it was just me. Who'd you think of? I just maybe a game warden or something, I don't know. I'm like I'm not asking questions when y'all hunting, you know, I don't know what them boys were. They were. I don't know if they were supposed to be driving that truck Like they were young enough they may have been 15 or something and just tip down the road, you know building this gravel road, or what?
Speaker 2:Which I've been that kid for, you know, just going to hunt and then go into the spring breaker and stuff Right Wanted to, just an excuse to hunt. Probably ain't slept all night and camped out on the spot.
Speaker 3:And if I?
Speaker 2:had to guess. They didn't know that Turkey was there. No it's just bad luck yeah.
Speaker 3:And it was good luck by the end of you know it really, cause I guarantee if them boys wouldn't have been parked on that side of the road, I would have gone in there and I got in scorned and I would have gone home at 9am.
Speaker 2:You might not have hunted in much more public land after the period?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it totally changed my, my year. You know way way of going with the year, but I mean it worked out and that was a big turn. You can say old, whatever, but he was, he was bad, he was up in. Palmetto's. He had some furs on him.
Speaker 3:He had some furs, he had a good beer and probably one of the bigger turkeys I've killed in a very long time. Um, I mean, I don't really remember exactly what the numbers were, but he was a good Turkey and a heavy Turkey, I mean full mature burger and the way he acted, that wasn't his first go round, coming in and gobbling one time and you know all that and I was just like you can't, you can't draw one up like what I just witnessed.
Speaker 2:And I mean I was so pumped that you got it on film because I mean that's so hard to do. Not saying just filming and drinking was very hard to do, um, but being able to explain exactly what that video, that 30 seconds maybe video contains, just illustrates mentally everything we try to. You know, in however many 85 different episodes we've tried to talk about it on this thing, if you never experienced it, you really just can't, you can't understand it completely without being there. But it's really hard to even kind of get on the same page without just seeing what we're talking about. Like you know, obviously you never know where they're at and they go. Well, then you find out, but it's different when you, when you've written them off in your head when you said you're going to plan.
Speaker 2:B at this point right, and that's a good, a good situation to kind of hit on of sitting where you're at for an extra 10 or 15 minutes. A lot of old pro style kind of hunting folks. A you know, kind of a rule of thumb is back up your vest, go to get up, but don't get up for 10 more minutes right.
Speaker 2:But don't make a sound because I mean, I'm a believer and I'll do it too, especially on a pressure area, your public or private, this pressure, you know, anything that you can do, this difference going to benefit you. And then a lot of that difference is going to be not doing anything because pressure is doing something. So if you're not doing anything, that's much less likely a person or a human coming in there, or a bunch of 15 year olds and coming before the beach, you know right.
Speaker 3:And that is a big, big key, to hit on on that hunt, like if I would, if I wouldn't have carried that camera with me, right? You know I was sitting there trying to figure out what to okay, well, we didn't see Turkey. I'm trying to think about kind of going about it more than I would normally, you know go into it, try and say what I'm about to do or something.
Speaker 3:You know I'm just trying to figure out how I'm going to Turkey on that. We don't know what the heck we're doing. So you know, I'm sitting there trying to fool with the camera and whatnot and look at them. You know, I was like I'm going to take a second look at the map and I'm normally not that guy to take a second and look at the map. I'm normally like I'll go walk up here and find out, you know, if it's in walking distance. So you know, in a weird way, having that camera there kept me sitting there long enough for that Turkey to finally look that hand enough, and I mean just perfect alignment of the stars. That guy called and or whatever. I did find out it was a guy and after watching the video I got a DM from him and he asked me two questions. He said I ain't going, you ain't got to answer it. I was curious and he named the name of the road.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I said this WMA.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it took me for a little while to respond to him.
Speaker 1:I was like I don't know how to go about this.
Speaker 3:But I figured out we had some mutual friends and I'm like I felt comfortable, you know, and most every time I'm cool with talking about it.
Speaker 2:I'm not really, I'm not one of those, just you know 300,000 listeners or something Right.
Speaker 3:But you know, he asked me to react. He just wanted to put some closure to his story and I was like, you know, if I can talk to him about this, like that'd be really cool to see his perspective of it, and, you know, ended up he was friend, that's mutual friends and I told him you're right, you know, ended up chit chatting back and forth, blah, blah, blah, and he ended up telling me like he had a test or something that morning and he was having to leave us goblin turkeys and he was, you know, kind of last prayer in it. He was trying to locate where that bird had gone, since he had shut up for 10 or 15 minutes. And he was, he was packing up everything and he, you know, high, high, bald at one time, and that turkey goblin, he was like, oh, that's where he's at. And he put his call back in his vest about that time and he said, man, my heart sank.
Speaker 3:Just. He thought he didn't know there was two turkeys in there. So, like I mean, I talked with him, you know, and he ended up, I think, getting one in there. You know, a couple of days later, I think, he ended up getting on that other bird that was left in there and bought or whatever it may have been. You know I need to check back with him and catch back up with him.
Speaker 2:But so he was a guy that hit the hit the box call as a prayer and made him gobble and luckily.
Speaker 3:I was sitting in gun range, where he.
Speaker 2:I mean, you were 30 something hours from him. Yeah, yeah, 30, 30. How long he's been there?
Speaker 3:Well, thinking back on it, you heard something so. I heard, I think, a putt or something behind me, and then those hens instantly ran directly. I mean, it was there. I'm dead center between where the hens are standing with another gobbler and where that putt happened, and I assumed at the time that was the hen that I had bumped off the limb trying to find the group.
Speaker 2:It makes sense.
Speaker 3:But I don't know if it was a you know gobbler, caulk, yelp, whatever, yeah, and it just it was a turkey noise and I was like mm-hmm, like one's 15 feet behind me, like it was close. I remember that and, playing it back in my head, I almost bet that was that long beard coming up there behind me and he had slipped into 10 yards, 15 yards behind me and looked for that hen and clucked one time.
Speaker 3:And those yeah, and those hens ran up to him and spooked off and he was just kind of like I'm kind of like a big deer all day. They're just going to stand there. Yeah, they didn't see it, they ain't they know something. May not be quite right, because he obviously drifted off a little bit, he had drifted back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you had talked to the camera and stuff. Yeah, he was 10 yards behind you, he would have seen that. Oh yeah, you hadn't known it.
Speaker 3:But I mean all of us sitting on a bigotry.
Speaker 2:I mean if he was directly behind me.
Speaker 3:He may have missed me somehow, or just not seen enough to run off. But what if you would have called?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, he probably would have done something different. He would have seen a random prayer about 15 minutes before that. Yeah, he would not have probably even put it in. It looked like he wouldn't. Nope, because I promise you at the first person he's seen over the slate call. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So I mean, I saw I'm going to assume is those those hens were running to him or whatever the other turkey was, and that's what blew up my whole morning. But I never heard that turkey run off, never heard steps behind me. So like when it putted, I was expecting to hear, you know, running, or and it just putted and never moved. And so that's what a lot of the reason why I didn't stand up either. You know, I was like I kind of don't know where that turkey went.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes another noise.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I kind of want to hear something. I know my morning is kind of botched, but I'd like to know what's going on, bob, you know, with all that. But when out works out it is crazy how it works out and kicked off my season in a in a good note, yeah which is change real quick, kind of unusual.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so over the last few years been tough to hunt much. So like, yeah, this year I was, I was planning to hunt a lot and I I knew I wanted to hunt on that place until I killed one. And I Remember thinking after I killed I'm like, well, what do I do now? Yeah, and I'll hunt it with seals, and you then next day or day after yeah, that was the next day we went up to the Delta. So I was kind of like I knew there was no turkey in there. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure you'll need a camera man like I know there's two lawn beards in here.
Speaker 2:Different type of pressure on your mind at night knowing that anybody can go hunt this turkey that you know is there.
Speaker 3:I mean I was, you know I was super thankful for the one I killed, but all you know it's shows you you still kind of you're like all right, yeah, next one. You know kind of at the same time, let's, let's keep rolling, keep to keep the good vibes going and better out the way we can write it Right.
Speaker 2:It'll always hit the shore eventually. Yeah, you're gonna be stuck on it regardless.
Speaker 3:And and the other guy, he'd come in from a hole. He walked a mile like to get back there. He knew these birds were there and stuff and I almost felt bad, like you know one point. I was like I just went in there on a wing and prayer, yeah, you know, had no idea that was turkeys in there and you know, luckily but unfortunately to you, you know, luckily to me it worked out, you know, and and just Right, so I'm glad there was another turkey in there.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, after that happened because I don't want to stuff on the way to these. I don't want to waste up on my toes. I try not to, if if I Hear a truck or see a truck. I'm one that keeps moving. Oh yeah, I'm bused up in there with nobody and that's just kind of understand rule your common courtesy. You know, I know I've had people walking on me, yeah, and stuff like that and it's, it's unfortunate, but you know it's you gonna have it on public land.
Speaker 3:At this point I kind of understand that because we hunted a lot of public land this year and, you know, went into a lot more places this year than I ever would have. That wouldn't have been the outcome probably that day. If that situation wouldn't happen. It woke me up a lot more mornings that I probably didn't wake up or wouldn't normally woke up.
Speaker 3:If it's raining or whatever I went, and I'm normally not Just gonna do that. You know I may wait till one o'clock when it breaks, but now this year I was like you know, never know what's gonna happen. I know it won't be there. One of the ends it just happened to to put a lot, of, a lot more confidence in not knowing, you know, and all those things.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's this man. I'm a little differently wired. I spent all that come season hunting public land 10 years ago 15 years ago, first getting into public land running Without hearing a gobble and I hunt almost every morning. Yeah and it just ate at me, ate at me, ate at me until I figured out how to hunt public land. It's different is there in the private land, and the private land we hunt ain't a deer camp, it is 80 acres.
Speaker 2:I talked about a four, 80 acres with the alligator and Started with a handful of turkeys and got down to one and I hunted that one for 83 times. Yeah, and but that's all we had. And that private land turkey is this Mars of ever or the hardest of the hunted. Yeah, I'd say, but there's several public land, was it? And I don't want anybody to get a twist. Public land turkeys are an elite of their own. Yes, you know they are turkeys in a day and they do Work the same. And a private land turkey can spot you just as easily as a public land Burke has bought you, I mean. But you gonna play them. You know one-on-one, you know man-to-man.
Speaker 2:Public land turkeys, got your plate book. They've seen it and done it and there ain't nothing you can throw at them today and had thrown at them, and, and, and I jokingly, non-jokingly, say you know, public land in Mississippi or in the South is a little different than everywhere else. Folks are serious. Folks grew up here knowing this like the back of their hand. Mm-hmm, they take, you know, take it personally, that's their turkey, that's their area.
Speaker 2:You can. You can get on a two-year-old on March 15th and it's been hunting several times. Yeah, kind of do you like, just because you get there early or get there early in the season, early in the morning, does not mean you gonna have an upper hand. There are no upper hands down here on land usually. Yeah, nah, and and a lot of. And I'll say I've mentioned at the beginning that some of the easier, smoother Script Britain hines I've been on have been on public and this is the prettiest time I've ever been on to this day Was the first turkey ever killed in public land and it was in a, you know, a Formally flooded river bottom up in North Mississippi. Be beautiful exactly how you think open Timber looks in the you know beginning months of spring and in the early days of March. And just the chalk white head coming through at a turkey came 150 yards right in the whole way and I could see him the whole time because it was just wide open.
Speaker 2:And I got in there like five o'clock and he was like goblin, okay, and so I was able to get to him, but Preface that with the year that I had to figure it out, I went all year without hearing one gobble right and then and it wasn't until after that season, in before the the season, I wind up killing man on opening day Did I learn how to navigate through and find turkeys and, more importantly, find areas where turkey hunters aren't as willing to go but turkeys can get into easily, which the big separator there's wings, you know right.
Speaker 2:But turkeys can cross is a lot different than what a human can cross Comfortably, I guess you, so to speak. So. But I'm, in a nutshell, pretty much found all these places. I can cross over these creeks and get you know if I can find a spot, it's got you know. Creeks, a set of parallel creeks, yeah, road and road. You know there's ways. The like that guy proved A mile is walking the woods. Ain't nothing that ain't gonna get you out of the woods necessarily, figuratively, I mean. You know, I didn't gonna get you set apart from everybody. Everybody can walk a mile, that ain't that hard.
Speaker 2:It's getting in the spots where folks a wouldn't think the turkey would be and be would have a hard time getting to. We're getting back out of, or Really narrowing it down of what I started running, just really going down to the micro, analyzing it. Where can I get this hard to get to that can still hear turkeys. So I don't have folks maybe not hunted this area. Folks is not hunted around here to hear the turkey to hunt. So I didn't hunt that area by hunting area that I could hear from there.
Speaker 2:So it's and Wind up being some miles up in there, multiple miles, but kind of by accident more. I just kept going and going and going and do you know, figuring, figuring that out, and then but when the time came I had kind of figured out my way to get up across these creeks and I'm talking deep creeks, like not walk across right Logs that I marked and figured out how to get to and which ones I could take to get across it and if I did hear One I could get to him. I'm sure a lot of folks have heard some of the turkeys. But yeah, you didn't do them was a whole new ballgame, you know, knowing you got a walk 400 yards up there.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna say they're walking left and right trying to find a spot to get across, or yeah, or call the turkey to that creek, like everybody else brought no and and um, and you know, just figuring out a way to. You know, that's, that's preparation. Yeah, that's why I say none of them are easy, because that's a lot of work. I probably more work than anyone into that one, absolutely. You know that happened to come off the roost and shot him.
Speaker 2:I think it was 701, which is, I mean, I mean, I don't know what time sunrise is, but it's right there at it, right, yeah, um, and it was Smooth as it could be. Hurt him on limb three up twice Hammered a ton of 50 times. Flew down, hammered 50 more times, strutting all the way through each other 25, you know, yeah, that's, they're gonna be nobody. You should have been here in May 30th, you know, a month after the season close, trying to find this spot Right, right with you know, and I'm talking about through some cotton mouths and all kinds of stuff and humid mosquitoes, everything you know, nine months from being able to hunt this turkey or how many months, that is.
Speaker 2:But the work gets put in. But it's like you say, like you started out, and when you come across one, I mean that's something I kind of Like you mentioned you hear one, do you go check on him? Do you go find more? All right, my go to is find more because I'm more. The last thing you can trust is a public land Turkey, you know. Second, the last thing you trust a turkey with public land turkey on her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it's kind of whatever they're telling you, you can believe it, but you're right, I know too many of them and this I mean this, it's a whole new ball game. It's fun. I like it, I enjoy it, mostly because we grew up without, without a ton of private land to hunt, mm-hmm, not like we got a farm or a plantation Kind of in our backyard. You know we just raise them and manage this and that we might have one or two. It's a little spot. We had to work kids, but yeah, it kind of had to do it out on who got to shoot it right speak and in those birds were normally, you know, if you dig.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah it was like yeah, because it wasn't just. You know, it was me or you or you hunting it. Oh yeah me, you break and dad and whoever the neighbors might be.
Speaker 2:You know whoever heard it? Probably yeah.
Speaker 3:Like. This is one of them areas that gets hit by a lot of folks. Let's just you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you're the hub of it right so and there's a. You can hear the whole place from the road.
Speaker 3:Yes, I think that ain't a big place we're talking about and and I mean we're talking to you know 30 acre blocks.
Speaker 2:It's a truck park there. Yeah, I wonder why he's parked there. Right kind of deal. Wait, I don't say that truck and pull over and listen, and you know are you talking about a private land?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm probably yeah, yeah, yeah but no, but on public, last one saying I kind of like you because I kind of mean I got the right to hunt a lot of it right. There's something we're not used to and yeah, you just got to learn how to not necessarily work it, but deal with it, understand what to expect, and it is it's um, I wouldn't even say there's not a bunch of, I mean there is a bunch of unexpected. Don't expect anything out of the turkeys because I mean I've seen them do some wild things through some tickets and Ditches and culverts and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I've seen a lot of odd things go on in the turkey woods, in public lands and that's cross-bored and I just miss you. Yeah, something about way as I might, okay you know I mean more words here, but um, I'm pretty sharp out there too, but especially later in the season and stuff. But like I mentioned that, it's almost like none of them have never been hunted. They're born on it.
Speaker 2:There's, that makes sense and they know every little Play in the playbook and you go, you can't and you can be perfect and it's still not work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's because of outside forces, outside factors, parameters that can affect you by product of what they're doing and um, which I've had a couple run ins with folks on actively hunting and stuff.
Speaker 2:More times than not it's here and I call really close to me and and Making a point to make sure they know I'm walking towards it, like if it's on a road or something, make sure I can kind of get on the road on the other down and see and I'll see them, or something like way my hands. You know I've talked to them on, walked out with them. They're always nice but you know, and I have, I have been in the bad spot like you were in, like pulling up where you know is Turkey, I and drives crazy in there. But you know there's been ways I can pull down one ridge and still on the turkey and at the same time like if I was that guy I'd be on the ridge, you know. I mean, I'm not gonna know, imagine them not knowing you're there and stuff, and never want to get into a dangerous situation like that.
Speaker 3:But, no. I did. I did go back in there a week or so later and got on another turkey, but it ended up being just like a man of a Jake. He came in 10 yards from me but full gobble, everything you know, acted like a hard-earned bird and I heard another guy I mean I was already sat down that turkey was right on top of him at one point I heard the other guy calling I mean, we're 300 yards apart at this point.
Speaker 3:And then I, you know, kind of was like this is a rerun of what happened last weekend, you know, or whatever, with that other bird, the turkey. I was like this is kind of cool getting to listen to this turkey and this other guy call. I wasn't necessarily trying to pull him off of him or nothing like that, I was just, you know, at that one I realized it was another hunter in there. I just sat down and got quiet and turkey walked right up to him and just gobbled 20 times and I'm like he's gotta be like within.
Speaker 3:That guy gotta be asleep or something at this point from where I been pointed him, and you know this is from 3, 400 yards, so I mean it's hard to tell exactly. But I mean I think I got to see this turkey and so after an hour or two I hadn't heard nothing. So then I called and that turkey was about halfway between us, that point. He came in just like he did the other guy and he had about a two inch beard and I was like that's why he didn't shoot.
Speaker 2:You know that makes it gonna be real hard to hunt next year.
Speaker 3:It makes a lot of sense. But you know he Now you're educating him. That's the only other turkey I heard the rest of the year. So somebody got the long beard or he flew across a river or creek or something and got on some private. I don't know what you want to say, but you know I hunted that place a lot this year and that turkey I killed in the morning was only one. I really set up on another minute, jake or two here and there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which we we me and Ciel's hunted a couple. I know he and Jordan blessed hunting the same patch and then I went and hunted by myself one morning for heading back to Georgia. I think Jordan wound up killing one in the same little area Second week, maybe for in the first week or something like that, but very sharp Jake's up in there, I think. Yeah, they gave us a run around and some of them were long beards here and there I'm like I'm getting scold. Buy some Jake's right here. We'll talk about that when Ciel gets here. Hit on some of those. But and we're going to talk about some more specific public land theories we got, I guess you'd say I wouldn't say just advice or anything like that. I don't want the turkeys to have my playbook. I don't want necessarily thousands of people to also know my playbook, and so to speak, but I'm not, you know, partial or against sharing all kinds of tips.
Speaker 2:I've learned Mostly lessons. I've learned the hard way that if you hunt public land long enough, and sometimes, then at least the first season, you're going to learn them eventually.
Speaker 2:You know, and Mike can help save you some heartache by telling you what I've done that didn't work and what not to do. But I think the moral of all of it if you're going to hunt turkeys period, but specifically on public land, the tide's going to turn a lot more. It's going to get good, it's going to get bad, it's going to get good, it's going to get bad, it's going to get really good, it's going to get really bad. Right, you just got to be on a tree in the woods when the tide turns back. Good, and if you're there, good things happen.
Speaker 2:And that's the only golden ticket that I've found in turkey hunting is go turkey hunting. Yeah, I mean, it's going to cure all the bads. Whatever you need to polish up on you, polish it up with turkey hunting. Whatever you think you're too good at, go turkey hunting. You'll get corrected. You'll realize you're not. Yeah, I mean, it's just the fix. All is just being out there, and when things aren't good, if you're turkey hunting, they'll get good eventually, eventually. Yeah, you're riding a good way.
Speaker 3:Keep going Right.
Speaker 2:It's going to turn. But that's what makes it fun, that's why I love it at least, and I know that's what keeps folks coming back left and right time and time again after the first, you know. But luckily that ain't going to change. Yeah, I don't stay the same. Yep and turkey is going to stay smart. Well, after we're gone.
Speaker 3:Well, after we're gone, I agree.
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